Are you ready for Obama?

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  1. DoubleActionCHL

    DoubleActionCHL Well-Known

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    Listening to the polls, it sounds like we're destined to have an Obama presidency for the next 4 years. Admittedly, the race is fairly close and polls aren't always accurate, but we must fact the real possibility that Obama will likely become our president.

    What does this mean and how will we be affected? Aside from the socialist policies I expect the Democrat Congress to happily pass, I'm very concerned about my and my family's immediate safety. A wave of energy is building in a certain segment of the community; a segment that is overwhelmingly and blindly supporting Obama. This wave is fueled by class envy, unfounded racial bias and the hope and promise that Obama will see that they get their piece of the pie. Nevermind the fact that rather than making their own pie, Obama promises to take MY damn pie and give it to them!

    Election Day 2008: America has historically enjoyed a relatively peaceful transfer of power following each presidential election, but I fear this will not be the case in 2008. I've spoken with several law enforcement friends, and they're preparing for full-scale riots. The consensus is "Black America" (their words, not mine) will engage in violent, destructive rioting regardless of who wins this election. So much energy, tension and promise has been pumped into this election by the Obama campaign and the agenda-driven, irresponsible media, that it must be released. That release could come in the form of widespread rioting and looting.

    South Central L.A. type riots could erupt in every major city. My law enforcement contacts believe that rioters will target primarily white and asian property, businesses and individuals, and the mob mentality will generate a complete disregard for their victims.

    Now, these are not the ruminations of a donut-munching, barrel-assed, white racist cop friend. Law enforcement agencies are actually preparing; they're gearing up, preparing and training their officers for the worst.

    Why should only law enforcement gear up? End the end, we are responsible for our own safety and well being. Call me a nut, but I'm gearing up. I'm stocking up on ammo and refining my arsenal. As if a hurricane were coming, I'm ensuring that I have food, water and gasoline for at least a few days. I've spoken with my family to be sure they understand the gravity of the situation. I hate to put it in these terms, but there's a likelihood that we could be facing a few days (or more!) of all out civil war.

    I sincerely hope American pass the baton (preferably to McCain) without incident this election; but if the worst should happen, I intend to be prepared. What about you?
     


  2. mac79912

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    My local news stated that Obama had a 10 point lead in our polls.I voted yesterday and did my part.The lines were crazy and I waited over an hour to vote.
     
  3. jar

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    Hopefully we will have an Obama Presidency.
     
  4. DoubleActionCHL

    DoubleActionCHL Well-Known

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    I'm going to vote in a few days, but there are a few non-president races I need to educate myself on before voting.

    McCain will take Texas with no problem. It's the rest of the country I'm worried about.
     
  5. Hoji

    Hoji Bowling-Pin Commando

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    I assume you are not a gun owner:1zhelp:
     
  6. DoubleActionCHL

    DoubleActionCHL Well-Known

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    Barack Obama on Gun Control

    Democratic nomine for President; Junior Senator (IL)

    Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
    Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban


    Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok


    2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month


    Keep guns out of inner cities


    [Says] Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban


    Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions


    Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

    Barack Obama on Gun Control

    “I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”

    Obama’s new hardline liberal position differs from his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and GOP candidate John McCain, who both are for concealed-carry.

    Amanda Carpenter : Obama Comes Out Against Concealed Carry - Townhall.com


    Odd thing to say for a gun owner.:headscratch:






     
  7. Hoji

    Hoji Bowling-Pin Commando

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    Thanks for posting the quotes because I will not try to educate people who have drank the kool aid any longer. They are cultists and I just do not have the time {nor desire} to un program them.

    They are people who lack the fundamental basics of math and lack even a modicum of good sense.
     
  8. DoubleActionCHL

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    While I agree with your frustration, if we don't at least try to educate them, we'll be swirling town the toilet at an even faster rate. They outnumber us and they vote... often!
     
  9. Thumper_6119

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    I copied/pasted this from an AR forum that I haunt:

    Subject: Gun Law Update: Brady Backs Barack


    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Oct. 16, 2008
    Full contact info at end

    Gun Law Update: Brady Backs Barack

    Will Anti-Gun Group's Endorsement Help Or Hurt?

    Anti-Gun-Rights Candidate Could Gut 'Heller' Decision

    Now that Barack Obama has received the endorsement of the Brady Campaign
    gun-control group, will the Supreme Court's findings in the D.C. gun-ban
    'Heller' case matter?

    That's the question experts are asking in the wake of Obama's 11th-hour
    support from America's leading gun-ban advocates. The late-date endorsement
    was conspicuously absent from most large news outlets. Those groups have
    repeatedly claimed that anti-gun-rights agendas were a key issue in the
    Democrat election defeats of 2000 and 2004.

    'Obama publicly supported Washington D.C.'s total gun ban until the
    Supreme Court's 'Heller' case voided it,' says Alan Korwin, co-author of
    'The Heller Case: Gun Rights Affirmed,' which was just released (see below
    for news-media review copies). 'His opposition to gun rights is well known
    and carefully documented in the new book,' he said. Obama swiftly reversed
    his position after the High Court found that gun rights belong to
    individuals, a point also documented in the new book.

    'Before the ban was overturned, Mr. Obama supported the position of the
    Court's dissenters -- that gun bans are fine and the Second Amendment in
    the Bill of Rights does not protect people, it protects 'collective rights'
    of states,' Korwin notes. That position had little to support it in the
    historical record, but was favored by people seeking to ban firearms from
    public hands. The 'collective rights' theory, a recent creation, was
    dismissed with ridicule by the Court (equating it to Alice in Wonderland).
    The Amendment itself speaks of 'the security of a free state,' and 'the
    right of the people.'

    As the first book released about the landmark gun-rights decision, 'The
    Heller Case: Gun Rights Affirmed' describes the events leading up to the
    case, and precisely what the Court said, word-for-word and in plain
    English. If Obama follows the Court's decree, the civil rights of the
    general public should be fairly well safeguarded with respect to owning and
    using firearms.

    If he instead follows the lead of his endorsers in the Brady Campaign, gun
    rights as America has known them for more than two centuries could easily
    end. His campaign positions so far suggest the latter, if he is elected.
    His widely available voting record is 100% consistent -- voting for every
    restriction on law-abiding gun use, and against every proposed protection
    for innocent individuals.

    Virtually all recent gun-law proposals fall into those two categories --
    bans on honest ownership and rights, or support for honest ownership and
    rights. New laws targeting criminals are rare, since every imaginable
    criminal activity with guns is already against the law and carries severe
    penalties.

    The only thing left, according to leading experts, is to ban guns for
    non-criminals, a policy choice adopted in some circles. Gun bans on
    criminals have had embarrassingly little effect on street gangs, the drug
    war and career criminals in general. Facing abject failure of crime-related
    social policies, and unable to disarm criminals, many politicians are
    turning instead to civil-disarmament schemes. Working against this trend,
    'Disarm Criminals First' says one campaign slogan in the Marksmanship
    Movement.

    The three publicly announced elements of the Brady-Obama anti-gun
    positions include 1- Ban the freedom to sell firearms from one innocent
    person to another, euphemistically called the 'gun-show loophole'; 2- Allow
    all law enforcement officers to fish through gun-dealer records looking for
    paperwork or other violations, and compile data as they see fit,
    euphemistically known as 'repealing the Tiahart Amendment' (which prevents
    them from doing so currently); and 3- permanently ban an enormous list of
    perfectly legal firearms and accessories based on looks, names and
    operating characteristics, euphemistically called an 'assault-weapons
    ban.'

    First, knowledgeable observers know assault is a type of behavior, not a
    type of hardware, plus the ban seeks to outlaw all semiautomatic firearms.
    Second, it's already completely illegal for criminals to buy firearms under
    any circumstances, so the proposed private-sale ban would only affect
    innocent citizens. And third, the Tiahart Amendment protects the innocent
    from government registries and abuse, so all three proposals, as noted
    above, have virtually no effect on stopping crime, but do crush freedoms
    Americans currently enjoy.

    A long wish list of other gun-freedom repeals have been previously
    announced by Brady, Obama and their supporters, but have not shown up in
    the candidate's platform yet. See some of them here:

    Page Nine Index

    and many more here:

    Left Wing Gun Plan

    including (as listed during the Clinton administration):

    THE FIVE YEAR PLAN:

    1. National Licensing of all handgun purchases.

    2. Licenses for Rifle and Shotgun owners.

    3. State Licenses for ownership of firearms.

    4. Arsenal Licenses (5 guns and 250 rounds of ammunition).

    5. Arsenal License Fees (at least $300.00, with a cap of $1,000.00).

    6. Limits on Arsenal Licensing (None in counties with populations of more than 200,000).

    7. Requirement of Federally Approved Storage Safes for all guns.

    8. Inspection License. (Gun safe licenses, yearly fee for spot inspections).

    9. Ban on Manufacturing in counties with a population of more than 200,000.

    10. Banning all military style firearms.

    11. Banning Machine Gun Parts or parts which can be used in a Machine gun.

    12. Banning the carrying a firearm anywhere but home or target range or in
    transit from one to the other.

    13. Banning replacement parts (manufacturing, sale, possession, transfer,
    installation) except barrel, trigger group.

    14. Elimination of the Curio Relic list.

    15. Control of Ammunition belonging to Certain Surplus Firearms. (7.62x54R and .303).

    16. Eventual Ban of Handgun Possession.

    17. Banning of Any ammo that fits military guns (post 1945).

    18. Banning of any quantity of smokeless powder or black powder which
    would constitute more than the equivalent of 100 rounds of ammunition.

    19. Ban the possession of explosive powders of more than 1 kg. at any one time.

    20. Banning of High Powered Ammo or Wounding ammo.

    21. A National License for Ammunition.

    22. Banning or strict licensing of all re-loading components.

    23. National Registration of ammunition or ammo buyers.

    24. Requirements of special storage safe for ammunition and licensing.

    25. Restricting Gun Ranges to counties with populations less than 200,000.

    26. Special Licensing of ranges.

    27. Special Range Tax to visitors. ($85.00 per visit per person).

    28. Waiting period for rentals on pistol ranges.

    29. Banning Gun Shows.

    30. Banning of military reenactments.

    PLUS:

    Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets.

    Elimination of the Dept. of Civilian Marksmanship.

    Ban on all realistic replica and toy guns (including 'air soft' and paintball).

    The right of gun-violence victims to sue, with financial assistance from
    government programs, the gun manufacturers.

    Taxes on ammo, dealers, guns, licenses to offset medical costs to society.

    The eventual ban on all semi-automatics regardless of when made or caliber.


    To own your own copy of this new book, look here:
    THE HELLER CASE:Gun Rights Affirmed!

    *******************************************

    I got so fired up after reading that mess that I immediatly ordered some "Gun Owner. Voter. McCain/Palin " decals for my truck.



    Back in the early '90's, I used to work for our public library. They used to have meeting rooms that different groups could reserve and have meetings it at no charge. About every 2 months this one group would come in that used to discuss and hypothesize about Texas secession. Interesting discussions, to say the least. After I first saw this thread today, it brought to mind those meetings (especially after the mention of the possibility of civil war). Out of curiosity, I looked them up online today. They have gotten MUCH more radical about the whole idea since the early '90's. Interesting reading for those interested/curious.
    Texas Secede - TexasSecede.com
    Texas Secession
    (I'm not necessarily advocating such a thing. I only posted the links as a novelty for those that might find such discussions interesting).
     
  10. Madhouse

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    +1, but not just for the gun ownership angle alone.

    Think of the horrible laws that might come to fruition under his regime.

    Think of the taxes that we will all certainly pay in order to fund his philanthropy by proxy (us).

    Think of the steps towards "global citizenry" he'll march us through.

    The list is long my friends.

    :texas:
     

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