Are you ready for Obama?

[Hoji]

Just a thought, but the kool aid drinking worshippers that are going to vote for him have to be okay with Pelosi and Reid controlling the House. If any gun owning followers think that their gun rights are safe with this combo, then.....................

 

[Hoji]

I will remind you of that next time we are attacked on our soil and Obama wants to "negotiate" with them. You will miss George Bush when he is gone and we are being over run. At least he has kept us safe! I am not crazy about half of what he has done but he did keep us safe, and he is Pro 2nd Amendment.

Welllllll, not exactly pro 2nd. He did campaign on renewing the AWB in 2004. We did have a pro gun House that did not get a renewal bill to him.

 

[jar]

I would guess you are very young.

Well, the first election campaign I worked on was Eisenhower's second run, but I was still in grade school then.

 

[jar]

I will remind you of that next time we are attacked on our soil and Obama wants to "negotiate" with them. You will miss George Bush when he is gone and we are being over run. At least he has kept us safe! I am not crazy about half of what he has done but he did keep us safe, and he is Pro 2nd Amendment.

I am very much in favor of negotiation between Nation States, but not how we responded to 9-11 if THAT is what you are referencing.

Nor am I convinced that we are any safer than we were before.

I am in favor of defensive military action when needed, but Iraq was simply stupid and our response in Afghanistan was just about as silly.

 

[oldguy]

quote(Well, the first election campaign I worked on was Eisenhower's second run, but I was still in grade school then.)quote

How do you believe a socialist type government and we are moving in that direction can be of benefit to our country. When young I voted Democrat in many elections but at that time most Dem's were right of the current Republican party.

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

This man is in my opinion a socialist at best and his backers give me more concern then he, I cannot understand how any common sense individual could vote for this type of leadership,simply a disaster for America.

I can't understand it either...
YouTube - The Day After Obama Wins

(PS: Don't shoot the messenger!)

 

[jar]

(Well, the first election campaign I worked on was Eisenhower's second run, but I was still in grade school then.)

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How do you believe a socialist type government and we are moving in that direction can be of benefit to our country. When young I voted Democrat in many elections but at that time most Dem's were right of the current Republican party.

Well, I doubt we will be able to move to a socialist type government, whatever that means, but so far those nations that have a more socialist government than the US have done very well.

I am in favor of re-regulation of most areas deregulated since Ronald Reagan, in particular Utilities, Finance and Insurance.

I think as a Nation we need to be discussing many things we have taken as given here like National Health Care, whether as a Nation we want to encourage single family home ownership, creating a Nation Curriculum, whether we need to return and reexamine some of the proposals under the Nixon such as Universal Health Care, a Minimum Annual Income, National Funded Secondary Education, and a very long term tax system designed to pay down the National Debt. I think we need to be looking at the expansion of suburban areas and at mass transit.

The biggest issue is the billions of dollars we wasted with the Iraq War, but we broke Iraq and so we bought it. Unfortunately that folly will limit the resources available to do the things we will need to do.

 

[oldguy]

Well, I doubt we will be able to move to a socialist type government, whatever that means, but so far those nations that have a more socialist government than the US have done very well.

Well I was willing to listen and learn until you made that statement,
socialism is never good and the idea it will improve America is a naive
idea.
While we agree somewhat on Iraq I see no gain made for America in
Obama however only time will tell.

 

[chevydeerhunter]

Well, I doubt we will be able to move to a socialist type government, whatever that means, but so far those nations that have a more socialist government than the US have done very well.

I am in favor of re-regulation of most areas deregulated since Ronald Reagan, in particular Utilities, Finance and Insurance.

I think as a Nation we need to be discussing many things we have taken as given here like National Health Care, whether as a Nation we want to encourage single family home ownership, creating a Nation Curriculum, whether we need to return and reexamine some of the proposals under the Nixon such as Universal Health Care, a Minimum Annual Income, National Funded Secondary Education, and a very long term tax system designed to pay down the National Debt. I think we need to be looking at the expansion of suburban areas and at mass transit.

The biggest issue is the billions of dollars we wasted with the Iraq War, but we broke Iraq and so we bought it. Unfortunately that folly will limit the resources available to do the things we will need to do.

I hate to tell you this, but you're completely backwards. The only thing the the constitution states the government is responsible for is the national defense. You're proposing nationalizing health care, wages, education and transit AND you condemn military action. Completely backwards.

It's not regulations this country needs. It's competition we need. Just like abstinence, it works every time it's tried.

It's also people like who think like you that don't understand the basics of a free market economy. It actually works itself out when government is kept out of it.

 

[Vellcrow]

A large portion of the people that support Obama are the types that go out and burn/destroy/deicmate anything in their neighborhood when their sports team actually wins...imagine what would happen, win or lose, when it is a presidential election at stake.


Yes, we are in a lot of trouble no matter which way the election goes.

 

[Thumper_6119]

I'm also a firm believer in the idea that our right to protect ourselves trumps everything else. Without it, we have no means of protecting all of those other more important things.

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Well, I doubt we will be able to move to a socialist type government, whatever that means, but so far those nations that have a more socialist government than the US have done very well.

That is actually 100% wrong. Take a look at the UK and France, and the wellfare states their socialist governments have created. The liberal left and the media like to paint them as "doing great" but the truth is far from it. Socialism and "wellfare" type programs breed a whole populations worth of slothful and apathetic people. It basically creates nations of couch potatoes that basically live off their panhandling from the government. This nation has become as great as it is BECAUSE of capitalism. True, capitalism can be abused when you go to the extremes, but the positives far outweigh the negatives. The fact remains, never in any other country has one been able to literally come here with absolutely nothing, and make yourself into a multi millionaire or heck even a billionaire. The incentive and possibility here is amazing. People have done it starting out building computers in their parents garage for extra dough. People have done it even making trendy little novelty crap you might find at Autozone or Walmart. I'd like to see someone accomplish that elsewhere.

 

[Hoji]

To all of you who have tried to convince Obamanites anywhere, stop. You are wasting valuable energy that could be spent doing something else. YOU WILL NOT CONVINCE THEM. Ever. Speak ill of their Messiah's policies and you are a racist. If you are black and speak ill of his policies you are an Uncle Tom.

Save the time and energy and do something you enjoy. Like I said, you have a better chance of convincing a Southern Baptist to convert to Islam than convincing an Obamanite that their gog is wrong.

 

[Jimlakeside]

A large portion of the people that support Obama are the types that go out and burn/destroy/deicmate anything in their neighborhood when their sports team actually wins...imagine what would happen, win or lose, when it is a presidential election at stake.


Yes, we are in a lot of trouble no matter which way the election goes.

I would be very interested in seeing you support for this statement. I support Obama and I have no intention of destroying anything. Also I am an avid gun owner and 60 years old.

I will join the fight to block any attempt to reduce gun ownership - who knows I might even join the NRA if President Obama tries to limit gun ownership.

 

[oldguy]

I would be very interested in seeing you support for this statement. I support Obama and I have no intention of destroying anything. Also I am an avid gun owner and 60 years old.

I would love to hear why someone 60 years of age would support Obama,
serious not putting you down in any way what do you think he will do for
America or you.?

 

[Jimlakeside]

I think the last thing this country needs is a military man for President. We have too many problems in our own country to be the policeman of the world. I like Obama's focus on responsibility ending the war in Iraq and focusing on solving the problems here in America, health care, infrastructure, the economy, etc. I don't think McCain will overall do as good a job as Obama.

 

[DrBart2]

I will join the fight to block any attempt to reduce gun ownership - who knows I might even join the NRA if President Obama tries to limit gun ownership.

That is an odd statement to me. No insult here, but why would you let a rat into your house saying "If he starts getting into the food I will deal with him". I think the best bet would be to just not let the rat in!!! I am doing this now by opposing Obama and am already a life member of the NRA. It will be a lot harder for him to take away our gun rights if he is not in office!

I hear over and over how wonderful things are in Europe and Great Britain from our press and people who live here in the US. Don't you believe it!!!! My son and I are members of an on line gaming "Clan" that is based in England (it has German and Norwegian members also). We are the only "Yank" members (from the US). We talk with them almost every day while wearing headsets and microphones. We get to listen to them talk about daily life in their countries. You would not believe the stuff they have to put up with from their governments! Especially in Great Britain. I have found it is the little things that just add up. Like if someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night and starts attacking you, you MUST try to leave your home. If you cannot and you give any resistance to your attacker causing him harm, you WILL be arrested and prosecuted!! This information is coming from the average people who live there (what I have been told by them). As far as taxation, they get you many, many little different ways. As an example, you go and buy a small battery powered radio. You will have a sales tax on it, then the government will tax you yearly to use the "airwaves" for using the radio. How can the government prove that you are using the airwaves? The don't, everyone is taxed (unless you are on welfare) for using the airwaves. If you don't have a TV or radio in your home, you have to prove it to the government, which from what my English friends say, is just about impossible to do. This is how these socialistic leaning governments work. I have also heard (don't know the most recent statistic) that about 30% of the English population is on welfare or at least partially supported by the government (IE- working people). I could write a book about the incredibly poor government health care system they have, but wont because I believe I have made my point. I believe most Americans who now think that living under a government system like England has would be wonderful, would change their minds after a year of actually doing it!
Is this the "change" that Americans want?
I believe our system may need to be "tweaked" a bit, but it is still the best governmental system the the world.

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

I think the last thing this country needs is a military man for President. We have too many problems in our own country to be the policeman of the world. I like Obama's focus on responsibility ending the war in Iraq and focusing on solving the problems here in America, health care, infrastructure, the economy, etc. I don't think McCain will overall do as good a job as Obama.

There's a huge difference between ending a war and winning a war. Obama won't even admit that the surge he voted against was phenomenally successful. He advocates a similar plan in Afghanistan, but not because it worked in Iraq! I'm no McCain fan when it comes to fiscal policies, but I do believe he is capable of ending this war in victory rather than defeat. The Dems are mired in the defeat of America. They rejoice when things go badly, because they want to be the ones to hold you close, tell you it's going to be all right while they're stealing your wallet.

 

[phatcyclist]

I don't see myself ever being ready for an Obama Presidency. There is a high probability that with Obama as President all your rights will be infringed, not just the 2nd. I agree with DoubleAction that our right to defend ourselves is the most important in a big way. It makes sure that we can keep all the other ones. There is a reason that after being able to speak your mind, our Founding Fathers put it 2nd on the list.

 

[jar]

I hate to tell you this, but you're completely backwards. The only thing the the constitution states the government is responsible for is the national defense. You're proposing nationalizing health care, wages, education and transit AND you condemn military action. Completely backwards.

It's not regulations this country needs. It's competition we need. Just like abstinence, it works every time it's tried.

It's also people like who think like you that don't understand the basics of a free market economy. It actually works itself out when government is kept out of it.

Well no, I am not proposing nationalizing wages, education or transit but yes, I do think a National Health Care system is a great idea. So did Nixon, Eisenhower and Goldwater as well as Nelson Rockefeller. Newt Gingrich knew that whichever party succeeded in establishing universal healthcare would also have a lock on elections for likely a half century and that is why he was so frightened by the Clinton efforts.

In addition, the viability of the US population, its health and education, the state of our infrastructure are certainly a BIG part of our National Defense.

Government is our personal 900 pound gorilla that we the people call on to protect us from the rapists called unfettered capitalists.

If you would like to discuss some of these subjects in greater detail please start a thread and I would be happy to join in.