ATF letter clarifying manufacturing and gunsmithing (AR 80% builds mostly)

[HandgunHTR]

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...ling-2015-1-manufacturing-and-gunsmithing.pdf

Cliff's Notes version: Thou shalt not use any one else's tools to complete your 80% lower.

 

[subseashooter]

Interesting....and thanks for the Cliff's Notes version, I certianly wasn't going to read it.

No one from here gets to borrow my drill press!!

 

[breakingcontact]

Argh! Who are these people asking the ATF for permission!?

 

[HandgunHTR]

Argh! Who are these people asking the ATF for permission!?

I would bet that some of this stems from the Ares Armory fiasco. Some probably comes from monitoring sites like BARFCOM and I also wouldn't be surprised if some of the letters sent to them are from "Concerned Citizens" that troll gun websites and see stuff posted and then write to the ATF in the disguise of someone "asking permission".

 

[Younggun]

^^^Thats what I'm thinking.

 

[mortdooley]

An ATF letter can be over ruled by a newer letter about the same thing.

 

[Thegomezclan]

I wish congress would cut their funding.

 

[Chirpy]

I wonder about renting gear, like at TechShop or some place similar. Would that be permissible?

 

[Younggun]

I bought a used lathe, then I sold it after I finished.

 

[breakingcontact]

Do we ever really own anything mannnnn?

 

[Anger]

Do we ever really own anything mannnnn?

^^^ right here, exactly what I was thinking.

 

[orbitup]

That's so childish. Why aren't the grown-ups in charge?

 

[breakingcontact]

Nvm

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

What's that? An excuse to buy a new drill press? Ok. If you're gonna twist my arm...

 

[Southpaw]

I wonder about renting gear, like at TechShop or some place similar. Would that be permissible?

Does not seem so...

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Held further,
a business (including an association or society) may not avoid the
manufacturing license, marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by allowing
persons to perform manufacturing processes on blanks or incomplete firearms (including frames

or receivers) using machinery, tools, or equipment under its dominion and control where that
business controls access to, and use of, such machinery, tools, or equipment.

 

[rushthezeppelin]

This is so screwed up, as it is also now hindering the ability of people to build form 1 suppressors as well as 80% lowers. I really hope congress decides to reign in the power these ATF clowns seem to have taken upon themselves. Our better yet take sbrs and cans out of the gca.

 

[Chirpy]

Do we ever really own anything mannnnn?

No, we don't. Just looking at my property tax bill over the weekend.

 

[Brains]

Seems this is just a bureaucratic technicality. What's to stop someone from selling the jig, then buying it back at some future point in time?

A) "Hey, I need a jig, drill press, etc. again, any chance I could buy it back from you for the exact same price I sold it to you?"
B) "Sure, I'm not using it anymore. Got out of manufacturing for myself."

Repeat as desired.

 

[subseashooter]

Seems this is just a bureaucratic technicality. What's to stop someone from selling the jig, then buying it back at some future point in time?

A) "Hey, I need a jig, drill press, etc. again, any chance I could buy it back from you for the exact same price I sold it to you?"
B) "Sure, I'm not using it anymore. Got out of manufacturing for myself."

Repeat as desired.

Wanna know why he goes by "Brains"?

 

[RACER X]

You could buy your friends lathe for $1, and then sell it back to him for $1.50