ATF letter clarifying manufacturing and gunsmithing (AR 80% builds mostly)

[Southpaw]

Well that will be interesting to see if it works out for them in light of the recent letter we have been discussing.

Anybody going?

I'm going to check it out too... Not to sure what point they are trying to make by milling out peoples receivers but oh well, should be interesting .

 

[rushthezeppelin]

If I have a slow day that day, I'm going to try and go. Will wear the empty OWB holster too for effect.

 

[DarkwingDuck]

Dimitrios Karras (Ares Armor) has responded to the BATFE letter. Selected quotes below.

I have read ATF Rul. 2015-1 which was intended to clarify your position on several issues. I would like to thank you for your indirect admission that a firearm receiver is not a “receiver”, as defined by the GCA of 1968, until it can house all of the necessary parts that it is intended to house. I know this was not your intent. However, your words are very clear.

A) A “frame or receiver” and a “weapon”, are separately and uniquely defined in the GCA of 1968.​

B) The “may readily be converted” phrase only applies to “weapon” and not to “receiver”.
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C) The meaning of the word “manufacture” is “to make into a product suitable for use.”
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D) An object that is NOT suitable for use as a “receiver” is NOT classified as a “receiver”.
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E) Indexing marks DO NOT make a random object into a “receiver”.
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Riddle me this one Batman… If a “receiver” is a “weapon” then it must have an individual part of itself that is a “receiver”, which would be classified separately from it as a “firearm”… So where exactly is it that I can buy this mysterious “receiver, of a receiver, of a receiver, of a receiver” that you refer to?

To make things easier for you and your agents to understand, I have commissioned these concepts to be drawn in crayon. I have attached this drawing to this letter. You are welcome.

Full letter: http://aresarmor.com/store/media/cms/xmodnewsrss/B.Todd Letter re Ruling.pdf
Crayon attachments: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B99vEBRSpVxralZkNnlHOUFpeVk/view?pli=1

LOL crayon attachments for the BATFE ... (it's a parody response from AA/DK)

DWD

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

That's gold!

 

[Anger]

love it, esp the flowers, hears and rainbowz

 

[Rhino]

Well that will be interesting to see if it works out for them in light of the recent letter we have been discussing.

Anybody going?

If I go it will be with Lone Star Gun Rights - the recent CATI breakoff.

 

[breakingcontact]

If I go it will be with Lone Star Gun Rights - the recent CATI breakoff.

Didnt know there was a split. Ill be there by myself or with whoever shows up from TGT

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

Why did they split off? I heard OCT and CATI don't get along so great anymore.

 

[Southpaw]

Why did they split off? I heard OCT and CATI don't get along so great anymore.

What are the major disagreements between the two?

 

[Thegomezclan]

I will be there also hope to get meet some of you fine folks

 

[rp-]

I can't help wonder if this stems from California where you cannot 'buy' ad AR or an AK, but you can 'make' one.

When I was there a few of my friends and several forum friends would attend build parties where they would gather at a garage or shop that had a press and drill press. Then they would pay the owner $50 and bring their flat receivers and parts kits.

They were trying to find ways to ban these get togethers several years ago before I even moved

 

[Blind Sniper]

I seriously hope machine shops in my area either never see or don't give a **** about this letter. I'll be enrolling in an online gunsmithing course soon, and part of the actual work is going to be milling out an 80% AR lower, which the college states up front requires a mill - my only option is gonna be renting time on one. Don't have the space or money to buy even a basic, cheap-o used mill or CNC machine.

Unless anyone knows of a normal drill/bit combo that can handle billet aluminum >.>

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

What are the major disagreements between the two?

I forget specifics but basically CATI doesn't like how OCT runs things and OCT doesn't like how some guys with CATI were talking to/about OCT leadership.

 

[DougC]

Does this news from Ammoland.com change the conversation on this topic?

Defense Distributed Once Again Proves Gun Control Obsolete With A 0% Pistol​

Defense Distributed would take these states head-on by releasing a 0% AR-15 lower receiver for the company’s Ghost Gunner, a desktop CNC machine. The 0% lower was a hit with the gun-building community. All the user had to do was mill out the middle section of the lower and attach it to a top piece and a lower portion. Even if a state were to ban 80% AR-15 lowers, it would be impossible to ban a block of aluminum, although states like California have tried to ban the Ghost Gunner itself.

Just asking as I don't understand (makes my teeth itch and head hurt) the ATF rules like on pistol braces. Once legal for over a decade and now not legal Oh I forgot some unknown person in White House told ATF Director on the 'qt' to change the rules so pudding brain Biden can claim something on gun control.

 

[Gordo]

Some probably comes from monitoring sites like BARFCOM and ....

Just too damn funny...

 

[MountainGirl]

Does this news from Ammoland.com change the conversation on this topic?

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I imagine quite a bit has changed in the 8 years since this thread was started.

 

[TheDan]

I imagine quite a bit has changed in the 8 years since this thread was started.

The Ghost Gunner has been around for at least that long as well. Not sure what the new information is.