Atf rule banning private sales requires FFL rumored for fall.

[@TX_1]

Okay, now we have this: Dettlebach says there was never a gun show loophole.

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[archmark]

Even though he cost us two seats in the senate?

Couldn't have been two sorrier choices for the Senate, some anorexic Amazon and an inbred Hillbilly...

 

[@TX_1]

Is this for real??!

Yes, it happened.

 

[Axxe55]

MSN

 

[Wodon43]

According to the atf website the new rule is due to take effect 5/20/24

 

[i.c.whites15]

I miss Bumpstocks.

Well, your allowed to have one again. Trump wasn't allowed to facilitate any bogus laws against the 2A, the bumpstocks finally got their day in court and won, so go get one. FJB will get away with his anti-2A laws as long as there's corrupt, non-constitution following beurocrats working in government jobs that will let them stand and enforce them. Trump is for the people, and against the swamp. He just underestimated how frigging big and deep the swamp is, and I'm sure it's massive. There isn't a lot of integrity in someone who deny people's constitutional rights to get a paycheck and pension. Those folks have never actually had to work for a living, they're stupid and lazy, a hard work ethic scares them because they can't compete, so they work for the government. From the tippy top, down to the bottom, the swamp people have been enacting lobbyist laws to foreign aid bills so they can get as many tax payer dollars pocketed, however they can. There are no trustable people in the government. Everyone needs to be fired, every single one, and start all the way over, and roll back the laws to the way they were at year 1800 or so, thats the only way to guarantee the constitution stands. No I'm not saying reenact slavery, or taking away women's rights to vote either, that's the way they divide us, is by mentioning stupid shit like that. Make everyone, that is an AMERICAN, equal, illegals don't get a say-so, that's the only way.

 

[Rhino]

According to the atf website the new rule is due to take effect 5/20/24

How DARE they pick that day.

 

[i.c.whites15]

Little Johnny was in his Kindergarten class when the teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living.

All the typical answers came up - fireman, policeman, salesman. Johnny was being uncharacteristically quiet, and so the teacher asked him about his father.

"My father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes, if the offer's really good, he'll go out to the alley with some screaming *** and take it up the ***."

The teacher hurriedly set the other children to work on some coloring and took little Johnny aside to ask him "Is that really true about your father?"

"No," said Johnny, "he really works for atf, but I was too embarrassed to say".

Totally stealing this.

 

[philzgunz]

In real estate, the ultimate "thing" that can be "owned", there is a concept that the right of ownership involves, after acquiring, the right to manage, possess, enjoy, among others, and also, and most importantly, the right to sell. The concept goes all the way to state that if there is no right to sell, THERE IS NO OWNERSHIP. I am of the opinion that this concept applies to personal property as well. Going through a FFL may not exactly keep a person from selling a gun, but the right to sell (without which there is no ownership as I contend) is being threatened like never before.

 

[benenglish]

Going through a FFL may not exactly keep a person from selling a gun,...

Or it might. I have a bunch of guns that were bought by my mom at garage sales. I know nothing of their history. Going through an FFL means I might find out something I don't really care to know.

The same goes for the guns I now possess that my ex-BIL lost in the divorce. He threatened my sister that he would report them all as stolen. I doubt he did but I still have no interest in going through the process of confirming that.

Maybe now is the time I should dump a bunch of guns, at least the "project guns" that, realistically, I'm never going to finish.

Hmmm.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

So, having an FFL is not going to be required, merely going through one is sufficient, under the new ruling?

 

[toddnjoyce]

So, having an FFL is not going to be required, merely going through one is sufficient, under the new ruling?

It’s a little more complex that that. ATF’s intent is to clarify who should be regulated as being engaged in the business of dealing, or in other words, who should have an FFL 01.

The actual transfer via 4473 is a byproduct of the rule.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

It’s a little more complex that that. ATF’s intent is to clarify who should be regulated as being engaged in the business of dealing, or in other words, who should have an FFL 01.

The actual transfer via 4473 is a byproduct of the rule.

Thanks.

 

[kpg4923]

I read page 1, 15, and 16 of this thread. Is there any actual evidence that they are plannign on banning private sales of gun transactions in the fall?

Yes, I am aware of the new language around what it means to 'engage in the business' and understand that is problematic. Is that what this is about or is this about something different. And if it is about something different is there an actual link to a credible source?

Just trying to get caught up. Thanks

 

[majormadmax]

Just trying to get caught up. Thanks

Then how about reading the thread, then asking questions?!?

 

[kpg4923]

Then how about reading the thread, then asking questions?!?

I did try. I read about 40 or so posts and saw absolutely nothing that helped answer my question or had anything other than vague comments from biased sources. I figured if it wasnt on page one or the last two pages it is probably just internet rumors and I am guessing now that I am right.

Thats why I asked.

 

[Bozz10mm]

I did try. I read about 40 or so posts and saw absolutely nothing that helped answer my question or had anything other than vague comments from biased sources. I figured if it wasnt on page one or the last two pages it is probably just internet rumors and I am guessing now that I am right.

Thats why I asked.

Read the actual rule here and then tell me it isn't meant to stop or greatly curtail private sales. It is intended as a back door way to implement universal background checks.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/ruling/atf-final-rule-definition-engaged-business-dealer-firearms/download

 

[kpg4923]

Read the actual rule here and then tell me it isn't meant to stop or greatly curtail private sales. It is intended as a back door way to implement universal background checks.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/ruling/atf-final-rule-definition-engaged-business-dealer-firearms/download

So it IS about what we have been talking about for months.

Thanks. Appreciate that

 

[toddnjoyce]

Read the actual rule here and then tell me it isn't meant to stop or greatly curtail private sales. It is intended as a back door way to implement universal background checks.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/ruling/atf-final-rule-definition-engaged-business-dealer-firearms/download

Honestly, it’s more about making everyone who doesn’t hold an FFL and transfers a firearm into a person who is dealing without a license.

The way the rule is written, if I did not hold am FFL and I sold a firearm, even using an FFL to do the transfer, I would still be considered as engaged in the business.

I’m not even certain it would be legal to consign a gun to an FFL for the sale.

 

[10-96inTexas]

Honestly, it’s more about making everyone who doesn’t hold an FFL and transfers a firearm into a person who is dealing without a license.

The way the rule is written, if I did not hold am FFL and I sold a firearm, even using an FFL to do the transfer, I would still be considered as engaged in the business.

I’m not even certain it would be legal to consign a gun to an FFL for the sale.

This is pretty much the way I see it. So, my question is, are they going to issue millions of FFL’s so we can acquire, sell and trade firearms and enhance our private collections? I doubt it. For years one of their goals was to deny or revoke licenses to small home dealers because they didn’t do a significant amount of business.