texas skeeter
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COOL!! where exactly can i get one of those stickers???
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Attitude Adjustments Needed...it's OUR money!
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I'm with Mr. Redneck on this one....Liberals put that "Pretender" into the oval office in '08.....George Bush was the best Governor Texas had in years, and I am declaring that George Bush was as good as President as the many we have had. I am fed up with the leftist lies about his time in office....Sure he made a mistake or so, which President hasn't ? Our Texas Governor has made a couple of boo boos, which Governor hasn't ? But Our governor is CONSERVATIVE and that is a world away from the mud slinging millionaire from Houston who is a liberal....Put that in your pipe and smoke it !
I think it's "unfair" that skinman will have a retirement in the Texas Teachers Retirement System while I am forced to pay Socialism Security. His retirement may be there, while mine most likely won't.
I agree that the military should make more, but it's hard to find a career where you can draw full retirement when you are as young as 38. The military get good education benefits also.
I agree that the military should make more, but it's hard to find a career where you can draw full retirement when you are as young as 38. The military get good education benefits also.
This is incorrect. Read Texas 1911's post. The 50k family pays a much smaller percentage than the 250k earner. The 250k earner does not pay "essentially the same tax", he pays a much higher tax in percentage and actual amount.
I don't understand how any person can really believe this. The $50,000 in extra taxes the 250k person is forced to pay over the 50k person is a LOT of money. That extra tax might mean no new car, no family vacation, etc... This is a marked decrease in standard of living. Who are you to say the 250k person can afford to pay more?
And the idea that someone should have to pay more for an identical service just because he makes more money just sounds crazy to me. When you go to the movies do successful people have to pay more for their tickets? When you go out to dinner does the restaurant make your bill according to some arbitrary idea of "how much you can afford"? Of course not, and paying for government services should be no different.
Please read my post again. You are focusing on income tax alone and that is only a small part of the total tax liability. It is not only income tax, it is ALL taxes...fuel tax, service tax, sales tax, property tax (county and school district here in Texas); all but 7 states have a state income tax, and some of those also have a local income tax. And, added to this tax burden is and all the fees that are charged for auto registration, licenses, etc. The math clearly shows that the lower the income, the greater the total percentage of the income is paid in taxes. So, when you look at the OVERALL tax burden, not JUST income tax, how is it that you can say that the single individual making $250K/yr is paying a higher percentage of this total income in taxes than the family of 4 making $50K/yr unless you are using some of that Bush "fuzzy math"?
I am not sure what this comment has to do with the discussion?
FYI, I was employed in the general aviation avionics industry for almost 20 years, and before that I was in the Navy for 8 years. And, every single one of those years, I paid into SS...possibly even more than you have all total. Teaching is a second career for me. I will probably not teach long enough to draw on the TRS, and if I do, it won't be much.
Is this all you can do? Can you make a counter-point to my points?
This is the reason I quit posting on this forum. I see things have not changed...I will limit my participation on this forum to the firearm discussions.
I think you are forgetting that the 250k pays all those taxes too. Probably much more in property taxes. The percentages will remain about constant, with the higher earner paying a higher percentage and much higher amount FOR THE SAME SERVICES.
If you are a Socialist just come out and say it, and I won't argue with you. But your math on this is simply wrong.
I think Clockwork was trying to stick up for you, not run you off
Why should I have to restate what several others already have. But since you asked...
You ranted about all of the OTHER taxes, so let's look at those.
You mentioned personal property taxes. Those are based on the value of the property. Most of those in the lower tax brackets don't own a home, they rent either a singel family home or an apartent. I own rental properties...a LOT of them...over 100 single family homes. My tax bill last year was well over 130,000.00 JUST ON RENTAL PROPERTY. That's not including ranch land and the homes I occupy. That would bring the total up to somewhere in the 200K range.
I buy more gas than those at the lower income levels. I operate three of my own vehicles, plus provide the gasoline for three company vehicles. So that would mean that I am paying close to if not more than 5 times more gas tax than those at a lower income level.
I go out to eat twice a week. Maybe that is even on the local and state sales taxes paid. BUT I would dare say that I do spend more on electronics and furniture and clothes...oh, and suppiles to repair those homes...my Lowes bill runs close to 6k a month...so I'm thinking I'm WAY ahead of the lower income brackets on how much sales tax I paid...
So that takes care of the major taxes we are subject to here in Texas....so once again, YOUR argument doesn't hold water..and that is before we even start looking at capital gains taxes that I have to pay on investment income from bonds and stocks held...or the capital gains I have to pay should I flip a property out of my inventory....my capital gains bill last year was WELL over 250K.
So please, do what ever you want as to where you post on this forum, and what you say in those post. But just know that when your facts can be proven wrong, TRUST ME, someone here WILL do it. Just so happened several others beat me to it...but since you persisted, there's my 2 cents worth.
texas skeeter
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No one wants you to not post here anymore to include myself. I like debating with you when i get the chance to. dont let any of this mumbo jumbo get you to not want to post. Heck most of the stuff i post is just to get a rise out of guys like you, NOT to truely offend you. we are all here to have fun and shoot the sh-t regarding politics. I dont like the fact you cant post certain things here but hey, its not my forum. and as for your teachers pension, Im 100% you getting every last penny you worked for to retire on. if ya put in the time you should get your dime!! its a shame when they promised anyone a pension before they put in their 20 yrs and then afterwards, "Oh We're sorry we dont have the funds to continue your retirement payments" is pure BULLSH-T!!!! why dont they DRAMATICALLY drop the salaries of all city/state/ and gvnmnt high end mngmnt!!!! i mean really, why in the F--K does our Potus make 400K or any politicians high salary for that matter??!!!!!!!!!
texas skeeter
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yeah I think he read that wrong too....
HaHa!!! Im thinking it would be funny when the Idiots in washington over tax the shit out of a wealthy man because he has lots of assets and makes some money!!! There's nothing wrong with people making lots of money and they shouldnt be over burdened with more taxes simply because they got something good going on !!
NOW HERE'S THE FUNNY PART!!!
Where are all the lower income people going to live when people like West Texas cant afford to pay the TAXES on his assets? If he cant profit from his rental property, he wont be able to continue renting those houses!
Im not saying this would be funny if it happened to WT, im just saying the end result would be funny!
People like WT are more important than the Liberals realize. If he cant make money, he aint going to spend any and the low income wont have anything to live in!!
What difference does it make if someone makes a lot of money? The Taxes should be the same. Actually, I think there should be a cap on how much tax dollars you have to pay!
NOW HERE'S THE FUNNY PART!!!
Where are all the lower income people going to live when people like West Texas cant afford to pay the TAXES on his assets? If he cant profit from his rental property, he wont be able to continue renting those houses!
Im not saying this would be funny if it happened to WT, im just saying the end result would be funny!
People like WT are more important than the Liberals realize. If he cant make money, he aint going to spend any and the low income wont have anything to live in!!
What difference does it make if someone makes a lot of money? The Taxes should be the same. Actually, I think there should be a cap on how much tax dollars you have to pay!
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