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best 12Ga load for HD?
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At close range #4 birdshot would work, buck shot will penetrate too many walls.
Buck versus field loads
Hello! (My first time here to Texas Gun Talk.) I stumbled on a great web site that actually tests various firearms against all sorts of targets to answer these questions. Based on their tests, light field loads simply do not penetrate into a man-sized target deep enough and reliably enough to provide adequate stopping power. Buckshot does, as do #4 loads. The problem, of course, is your goal of penetration (into your target) means that these loads can also sail through something as thin as a layer of sheetrock. The good news is that in an apartment, shot will not pattern out into a large area since you will be firing at such close range (likely well under 20' max). So, if you load with buckshot like most people recommend, be sure to truly aim and hit the bad guy. If you load with #8, you can fire with much less worry of actually hurting someone in the next apartment, but you may not stop the assailant with your shot. Good luck-----
The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1
Hello! (My first time here to Texas Gun Talk.) I stumbled on a great web site that actually tests various firearms against all sorts of targets to answer these questions. Based on their tests, light field loads simply do not penetrate into a man-sized target deep enough and reliably enough to provide adequate stopping power. Buckshot does, as do #4 loads. The problem, of course, is your goal of penetration (into your target) means that these loads can also sail through something as thin as a layer of sheetrock. The good news is that in an apartment, shot will not pattern out into a large area since you will be firing at such close range (likely well under 20' max). So, if you load with buckshot like most people recommend, be sure to truly aim and hit the bad guy. If you load with #8, you can fire with much less worry of actually hurting someone in the next apartment, but you may not stop the assailant with your shot. Good luck-----
The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1
Inside an apartment, the Federal Tactical 00 Buckshot loads have a very small spread out of an 18" barrel. I have exclusively used this load for several years in my scatterguns. You will not find a better round to use in yours. Pace off your apartment, find the longest distances you can reach. Even most houses cannot provide an engagement distance larger than 15 yards inside.
Make sure that the buckshot you use is the standard lead, not the copper plated. The copper plated buckshot does not deform and does penetrate walls much more effectively if you do miss.
Here is a pic of my 930 patterned at 5 yds (that's 15 feet) with the 9 pellet load:
Here is the same gun and load at 10 yards (30 feet...you generally will never engage a dirtbag further than this indoors):
Make sure that the buckshot you use is the standard lead, not the copper plated. The copper plated buckshot does not deform and does penetrate walls much more effectively if you do miss.
Here is a pic of my 930 patterned at 5 yds (that's 15 feet) with the 9 pellet load:
Here is the same gun and load at 10 yards (30 feet...you generally will never engage a dirtbag further than this indoors):
bonehead1185
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I am in the same situation as you in an apartment. I have my Mossberg loaded with 00Buck because I have plenty of walls around to slow it down if by some chance I miss. The only place it would be risky is if i confront them at the front door, then it would only be one wall behind them. In any other room there is about 3-4 walls before it would get to a neighbor. I guess it kinda depends on your layout and how you would be placed. I just know that if someone does break in and is armed, I want them stopped and I trust the 00Buck to do it.
txinvestigator
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A shotgun at across-the-room distances is only a concern if you miss. Aim as you would any firearm. My Mossberg with a 20 inch barrel and Remington Reduced Recoil keeps all pellets on a man-sized target at 25 yards.
That is 75 FEET! What apartment has rooms that large?
More realistic distances;
I agree that Bird Shot is just not reliable on a man.
That is 75 FEET! What apartment has rooms that large?
More realistic distances;
I agree that Bird Shot is just not reliable on a man.
Another option...
Well, here's another option you may want to consider: less than lethal ammunition. This is certainly not your typical answer, but if you load with 00 buck you really could shoot someone in an adjacent apartment. Let me see if I can find some options...
Well, here's another option you may want to consider: less than lethal ammunition. This is certainly not your typical answer, but if you load with 00 buck you really could shoot someone in an adjacent apartment. Let me see if I can find some options...
Less Lethal Rounds
Ok, I found a few options. I have not personally used them, but I think it makes sense as an option. I bet at the very close ranges in an apartment that you would stop an intruder on the first shot, and quite probably injure him, too, since most 12 gauge less lethal rounds are designed for 5-7 yards at a minimum. So, by hitting him at a likely distance of say 3 yards, I'd anticipate concussions, rib fractures, etc. (That's good, from the defender's perspective.) It would be highly unlikely that these would penetrate very far through walls, and if they did, they'd have very low energy at that point. If you wanted to, you could consider making your first round a less lethal round and then follow it up with a more damaging round if need be. Maybe someone who has used these against a motivated bad guy can comment on effectiveness?
DeltaForce.com
AMM-836 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Pen-Prevent Bean Bag Tail Stabilized Less Lethal Animal and Riot Control Package of 5
Ok, I found a few options. I have not personally used them, but I think it makes sense as an option. I bet at the very close ranges in an apartment that you would stop an intruder on the first shot, and quite probably injure him, too, since most 12 gauge less lethal rounds are designed for 5-7 yards at a minimum. So, by hitting him at a likely distance of say 3 yards, I'd anticipate concussions, rib fractures, etc. (That's good, from the defender's perspective.) It would be highly unlikely that these would penetrate very far through walls, and if they did, they'd have very low energy at that point. If you wanted to, you could consider making your first round a less lethal round and then follow it up with a more damaging round if need be. Maybe someone who has used these against a motivated bad guy can comment on effectiveness?
DeltaForce.com
AMM-836 - Ammo 12 Gauge ALS Pen-Prevent Bean Bag Tail Stabilized Less Lethal Animal and Riot Control Package of 5
