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  • JayAre

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    From time to time I have considered getting my CHL, but I can't seem to get past the idea that, if things go badly for the 2nd Amendment, having a CHL is like saying "I HAVE A GUN, COME AND GET MINE FIRST". Is this an irrational fear, or is there some degree of safety in the number of people with a permit?
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    nalioth

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    Have you ever bought a firearm from a dealer?

    If the answer is "yes", you're just as "registered" as having a CHL will make you.

    You'd be very surprised to learn that some folks who don't own guns at all have a CHL here in Texas.
     

    jdh

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    You just posted on a gun related web site. You are now on the list of suspected gun owners. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
     

    deadeye1964

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    You are more registered when you buy a gun than when you get your CHL, when you get your CHL, all they know if you qualified with a SA or Revolver, they do not know what kind or a serial number. Like someone said in an earlier post, when you buy a gun, they have all the information.

    I would not let that keep you from getting your CHL, if it ever did come to what you are thinking, you could just tell them you sold the gun and do not remember what the guy looked like but he said he did not have mental or criminal record.
     

    txinvestigator

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    You are more registered when you buy a gun than when you get your CHL, when you get your CHL, all they know if you qualified with a SA or Revolver, they do not know what kind or a serial number. Like someone said in an earlier post, when you buy a gun, they have all the information.
    "They" don't have any information except if you purchased a long gun or handgun.
     

    thehemi

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    "They" don't have any information except if you purchased a long gun or handgun.

    Do "they" actually KNOW you bought a firearm?
    Or do "they" only know you WANTED to buy one?
    You can back out of a sale after NICS check, no?
    Although they could subpoena dealer sales records.
     

    DoubleActionCHL

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    If you're trying to stay off the radar, don't get your CHL, don't buy guns from federally license dealers, don't post on gun-related websites, and above all don't ever carry your gun on your person or in your vehicle.

    Carrying the gun on your person will likely land you in jail. Then what happens to your RKBA? Carrying the gun in your vehicle in Texas is ok (in most cases), unless you're stopped and the officer asks if you have a gun in your car. Are you going to lie?

    There are certain things you just can't get around. Our government has seen tothat. It's like Joe Pesci says; "They f*** you in the drive-through..." etc., etc. CHL legislation flies in the face of the 2nd Amendment, in my opinion, but it is what it is. What's the alternative? We follow the law and we do our best to change the ones we don't like. Breaking the law only lands you in jail.
     

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    Last time I renewed, the instructor loaned guns to several participants, for a few bucks on top of the course fee ... so having a CHL doesn't mean you have a gun ... and of course it might mean you only have one ...
     

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    I just took a CHL class yestrday. I am Currenty NOT a gun owner (still looking for the right hardware before I buy)

    On a slightly different note, I found it odd there were 3 things that disqualified a person from getting a CHL:

    a) if you were behind on your student loan payments
    b) if you were behind on child support payments
    c) if you were behind on your taxes.

    I do not believe ANY of the previously mentioned criteria should have any bearing on one's ability to carry.

    Is a CHL another way of government to Control your liberties? Yes!...but it's not a really effective way to spy on who OWNS a gun since there are countless gun owners without a CHL.
     

    JKTex

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    I just took a CHL class yestrday. I am Currenty NOT a gun owner (still looking for the right hardware before I buy)

    On a slightly different note, I found it odd there were 3 things that disqualified a person from getting a CHL:

    a) if you were behind on your student loan payments
    b) if you were behind on child support payments
    c) if you were behind on your taxes.

    I do not believe ANY of the previously mentioned criteria should have any bearing on one's ability to carry.

    Is a CHL another way of government to Control your liberties? Yes!...but it's not a really effective way to spy on who OWNS a gun since there are countless gun owners without a CHL.


    Our "liberties" including being behind on student loans, child support and taxes? And you think the State shouldn't NOT issue license because of them? If you're taking a CHL class, you've already agreed that the right to carry a concealed handgun is a privilege, you've conceded to the licensing process/asking the state to grant you permission.

    Privileges come with responsibilities.
     

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    Our "liberties" including being behind on student loans, child support and taxes? And you think the State shouldn't NOT issue license because of them? If you're taking a CHL class, you've already agreed that the right to carry a concealed handgun is a privilege, you've conceded to the licensing process/asking the state to grant you permission.

    Privileges come with responsibilities.

    I'm not saying I won't do it, I'm saying I dont' like it. I believe such un-related qualifications is another way the government forces them ro rely on the government for personal security. If you're a governming body with an agenda that doesnt' hold favor with a large part of your population, it makes perfect sense to disarm or limit armmament of those who might oppose you.

    My CHL instructor said it best:
    If you can defend yourself, family and property, you're a Citizen. If not, you're a Subject.
     

    txinvestigator

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    I just took a CHL class yestrday. I am Currenty NOT a gun owner (still looking for the right hardware before I buy)

    On a slightly different note, I found it odd there were 3 things that disqualified a person from getting a CHL:

    a) if you were behind on your student loan payments
    b) if you were behind on child support payments
    c) if you were behind on your taxes.

    I do not believe ANY of the previously mentioned criteria should have any bearing on one's ability to carry.

    Is a CHL another way of government to Control your liberties? Yes!...but it's not a really effective way to spy on who OWNS a gun since there are countless gun owners without a CHL.

    Being behind is not the dis-qualifier, being delinquent is.


    Just curious, where did you take your class?
     

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    The ability to legally carry concealed is a privilege. The ability to legally own a gun is a right. With privilege comes responsibility and part of that responsibility is to be a good, upstanding citizen. Which means pay your bills. The Texas legislature did nothing to prevent you from owning a gun and protecting your family within the confines of your home. As a matter of fact, they increased what you can do and provided exemptions from civil action if you do execute deadly force protecting your home and family.

    In a republic we have laws to govern. As intended, the law is supreme. In a monarchy the ruler is supreme. In anarchy, chaos is supreme.
     

    txinvestigator

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    The ability to legally carry concealed is a privilege. The ability to legally own a gun is a right.

    I disagree. The US constitution states my God given right to keep AND BEAR arms. That does not limit me to my home. Unfortunately as of now, we are required to be licensed to lawfully exercise a right.

    With privilege comes responsibility and part of that responsibility is to be a good, upstanding citizen. Which means pay your bills.
    Really? So how about my credit card bills, car note, etc?
    The Texas legislature did nothing to prevent you from owning a gun and protecting your family within the confines of your home.
    Texas does not regulate the ownership of guns at all.
    As a matter of fact, they increased what you can do and provided exemptions from civil action if you do execute deadly force protecting your home and family.
    There is no exemption from civil action.
     

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    Being behind is not the dis-qualifier, being delinquent is.


    Just curious, where did you take your class?

    I did mis-read that. On a taxes or child support the term is "delinquent" and on student loans the term is "default"

    While paying your bills is often reguarded as a sign of responsibility, I do not believe that financial responsibility is the same as firearms responsibility and the two should not be associated in regards to a CHL permit.

    I disagree. The US constitution states my God given right to keep AND BEAR arms. That does not limit me to my home. Unfortunately as of now, we are required to be licensed to lawfully exercise a right.

    The term in question is "bear"....and to what point the "security" of others is compromised by one's right to bear arms. We know that armed citizens actually provide MORE security than civilians who have been disarmed. Anyone who watches "cops" or similar shows has seen how many times officers have encountered suspects that are illegally carrying. if the government were truely interested in public safety, they would want as many armed responsible individuals as possible. Every individual that can defend themselves is one less individual that needs protection from an outside source.
     

    txinvestigator

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    I did mis-read that. On a taxes or child support the term is "delinquent" and on student loans the term is "default"

    While paying your bills is often reguarded as a sign of responsibility, I do not believe that financial responsibility is the same as firearms responsibility and the two should not be associated in regards to a CHL permit.



    The term in question is "bear"....and to what point the "security" of others is compromised by one's right to bear arms. We know that armed citizens actually provide MORE security than civilians who have been disarmed. Anyone who watches "cops" or similar shows has seen how many times officers have encountered suspects that are illegally carrying. if the government were truely interested in public safety, they would want as many armed responsible individuals as possible. Every individual that can defend themselves is one less individual that needs protection from an outside source.


    Still curious where you took your class.....I taught Saturday
     

    JKTex

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    While paying your bills is often reguarded as a sign of responsibility, I do not believe that financial responsibility is the same as firearms responsibility and the two should not be associated in regards to a CHL permit.

    I'm not taking a side, but responsibility is an element of character. Many employers do credit checks on new-hire candidates as a standard part of the hiring process. Whether someone thinks it's right or wrong, it's one way to get an idea about someones character.

    However, for the CHL I think it's the same as many Government "catches". It's another way to screen an individual to try to help another arm of Government take care of a problem. Like a dead-beat parent that may be forcing the other parent and child(s) into public assistance rather than at least being financially accountable to their child for example, or paying back money owed to the Government, or that the Government has secured.
     
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