Concealed Carrier Rushes Into The Fray - Gunned Down After Preventing Further Casualties

[Sam7sf]

Dang. This world is mad. I agree with cam. Situational awareness. How many times does that term come up in class? Cops not treating you like a threat is situational awareness. Anything can happen if you think you do everything right. What a mess. Hopefully the cop can move forward and be ok mentally.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

First I think the civilian was incredibly brave to jump in and engage a shooter that shot a cop. Sad he lost his life in the process.

I also don't think there is one answer to fit all here either, whether to engage the shooter, or not to engage. That is entirely a personal decision each person would need to make based upon the scenario at hand at that time. Way too many factors for a clear-cut answer to that question.

Yep yep

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Dang. This world is mad. I agree with cam. Situational awareness. How many times does that term come up in class? Cops not treating you like a threat is situational awareness. Anything can happen if you think you do everything right. What a mess. Hopefully the cop can move forward and be ok mentally.

But for the most part if a officer is down and I was a cop just rolling in everyone is the enemy till I knew what was going on

 

[sergeant69]

If the shooter was down, the gun should have been holstered as @oldag pointed out

woulda/coulda/shoulda. with the adrenaline at 1000 times normal training and cognative reaction go out the window. i have been standing next to a fellow officer when we had to draw our weapons. he dropped his as it cleared the holster and never it until later. he was so wound up he was shaking. everyones different. when the SHTF all bets are off, no matter who you are.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

If the shooter was down, the gun should have been holstered as @oldag pointed out

woulda/coulda/shoulda. with the adrenaline at 1000 times normal training and cognative reaction go out the window. i have been standing next to a fellow officer when we had to draw our weapons. he dropped his as it cleared the holster and never it until later. he was so wound up he was shaking. everyones different. when the SHTF all bets are off, no matter who you are.

First off thanks for doing a thankless job. And secondly you're right sir

 

[Sam7sf]

But for the most part if a officer is down and I was a cop just rolling in everyone is the enemy till I knew what was going on

Exactly what I meant. The cop was doing what’s only natural. Hopefully he can forgive himself.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Being a keyboard commando don't mean shit wanna see a man's character put him under pressure

 

[gll]

Dang. This world is mad. I agree with cam. Situational awareness. How many times does that term come up in class? Cops not treating you like a threat is situational awareness. Anything can happen if you think you do everything right. What a mess. Hopefully the cop can move forward and be ok mentally.

I would hope the cop can move forward, but not without great remorse. His action resulted in the death of an innocent man, a good guy, and a hero.

 

[Sam7sf]

I would hope the cop can move forward, but not without great remorse. His action resulted in the death of an innocent man, a good guy, and a hero.

This is gonna be between him and the lord. Hopefully he has a community/church that can be there for him.

 

[billtool]

My understanding is that the shooter was down.

Ugh/ so many questions. I must say, unless I see the guy that was so recently shooting at me missing a head, it’s gonna be awful hard for me to disarm. If I’m told to I guess I would, but who knows if the LEO even gave a command.

 

[gdr_11]

There are a lot of unanswered questions in this story and they will not be revealed until the city attorneys clear the exact words to be released to the public. It is one thing for a responding police officer to engage an armed "suspect" at an officer down scene; it is another to open fire from a distance without any knowledge of who's who; armed or unarmed.

Hopefully the city will release a true statement of what took place, although they may choose to shield the actual identity of the shooter since this is a terrible outcome and there is no need to go beyond confirming the circumstances under which the officer decided to fire on the hero.

The lessons learned are valid; good training for the responding citizen is as important as it is for the responding officer. Anyone calling 911 in an incident must also remember to identify anyone who may be engaged in the incident. Failure to point out that an armed citizen wearing xxx is on the scene may result in that person being shot in error. Conversely, failing to holster or lay down your weapon as soon the responding vehicles come into view is also a critical mistake.

 

[Riksors]

RIP.

Unfortunately, main stream media will spin this around that having an LTC is dangerous to one’s health.

 

[jordanmills]

But for the most part if a officer is down and I was a cop just rolling in everyone is the enemy till I knew what was going on

And that's a big problem. Civilian law enforcement cannot have that mentality. That's for military personnel in a limited range of situations.

 

[smittyb]

Good Samaritan who died in Arvada shooting was shot by police, according to sources

The Good Samaritan who died in Monday’s shooting in Olde Town Arvada was shot and killed by a police bullet, Denver7 Chief Investigator Tony Kovaleski has confirmed through three informed, ranking sources — including two law enforcement sources.

www.thedenverchannel.com

 

[ZX9RCAM]

PD doesn't have body cameras, but should by 2023...

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

And that's a big problem. Civilian law enforcement cannot have that mentality. That's for military personnel in a limited range of situations.

I'm a old product of uncle sugar... sorry old training dies hard

 

[jordanmills]

I'm a old product of uncle sugar... sorry old training dies hard

Yeah that's a problem too, but it's not a problem with such an easy clear response. And to be clear, the problem is the old training dying hard, not former military becoming civilian cops, or that you had training appropriate to the situation you were being put into as military.

 

[avvidclif]

And that's a big problem. Civilian law enforcement cannot have that mentality. That's for military personnel in a limited range of situations.

It also applies in the civilian world albeit with a few modifications. In the military world anyone armed, in a firefight, and not in uniform is a enemy and to be dealt with. Civilian world, First being anyone armed must be told very loudly, "Drop it, NOW". Only difference I see.

 

[jordanmills]

It also applies in the civilian world albeit with a few modifications. In the military world anyone armed, in a firefight, and not in uniform is a enemy and to be dealt with. Civilian world, First being anyone armed must be told very loudly, "Drop it, NOW". Only difference I see.

I think you mean in a uniform. Killing civilians, even if they are bearing weapons, so long as they have not made themselves unlawful combatants by engaging in hostilities, is a serious crime.

 

[jrbfishn]

Did you miss this:
But is accidentally killed by police…

I stand corrected.
Went back and read then again. The second says an news investigator said he had confirmation that he was killed by police.
I also watched several videos and nobody was confirming that a cop shot him. One video of a police spokesperson said it was not clear who shot him.
More facts would be nice. I haven't had time today to look. I just got back from the range.

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