conspiracy theories with J Ventura

[M. Sage]

I saw the video clips of his HAARP "Investigation" and thought that he was a ridiculous TV hack. To paraphrase one of his statements he claimed that since he was a former Navy SeAL he was entitled to see any top secret programs. What an ignoramus!

Especially considering it appears he was never a SEAL, but simply UDT. Jesse Ventura: SEAL or UDT?

 

[Major Woody]

Sure Jesse comes on like a wrestler, that's a part of TV, but he is getting to the truth behind what is happening, If pressure cancels his show, we'll know he was getting too close. I for one, want to know the truth. Don't you? What if they are really doing this, our children need to know.

 

[texas1willy2]

Sure Jesse comes on like a wrestler, that's a part of TV, but he is getting to the truth behind what is happening, If pressure cancels his show, we'll know he was getting too close. I for one, want to know the truth. Don't you? What if they are really doing this, our children need to know.

Exactly, as far the title "conspiracies" I believe we are way past the point of most of these topics being conspiracies, for example last weeks show talked about the bilderbergs and the new world order..... well that is happening and they don't even try and hide it. The only thing they are hiding is what they plan on doing and how they plan on accomplishing it. I know that they are pushing that direction and that they are going to use international treaties and executive orders to by-pass congress on most of the big items that will destroy our constitution and hand over our nations sovereignty. The problem is almost nobody is looking into this and asking the questions that need to be ask so I'll gladly put up with Jesse if he's willing to take them on because it's happening right before our eyes. If you don't think it is go read the threads on what just happened with Interpol. With just a couple more stokes of the pen our constitution will become useless, FYI they will go after the 2nd amendment by signing an international arms agreement that no one will not pay attention to because they think it is about large military type weapons then by the time everyone realizes what happened we will be answering to international law.

 

[majormadmax]

Especially considering it appears he was never a SEAL, but simply UDT. Jesse Ventura: SEAL or UDT?

Yep.

From September 11, 1969 to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War era, he (Ventura) served in the United States Navy.[1] While on active duty, Ventura was part of Underwater Demolition Team 12 (UDT).[4] The UDT was merged with the US Navy SEALs in 1983,after Ventura was no longer in the Navy.

Ventura is blowing even more smoke out his ass by claiming to have been a SEAL. He was never a SEAL, he is a showboating fake which is why he was so successful in "pro wrestling." This show is no better, and the reason people believe in these "conspiracies" is because they don't know or have access to the real truth...

 

[majormadmax]

majormadmax Before anyone starts running to get a tin hat, there are huge restrictions on collecting against Americans by the US intelligence community

Inter Interpol, or maybe you could take a stab at why they get these new found powers that completely bypass OUR constitution?

First, INTERPOL is NOT a police force; but instead an organization facilitating international police cooperation. Each member country maintains a National Central Bureau (NCB) staffed by national law enforcement officers. In the US, this falls under the Department of Justice.

If a foreign country issues an arrest warrant for a person inside the United States, it is up to the United States government, based on its own laws, to decide whether to apprehend the suspect. It is the same in every one of the 188 countries that are a part of INTERPOL. No one has jurisdiction, authority or anything else in any country outside their own; and there is nothing in EO 12425 that circumvents our laws and/or Constitution.

Don't believe some nutbag blogger's spin on it, the EO only increases our country's involvement in combating international law enforcement cooperation, something that will be to our benefit, not detriment.

 

[texas1willy2]

Here is the nut bag I'm quoting: Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425 | The White House
Why do they need immunity not even afforded to our own government employees?

This is off their website, stating the areas that they do work in.

Its work focuses primarily on public safety, terrorism, organized crime, crimes against humanity, genocide, war crimes, Piracy, illicit drug production, drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, human trafficking, money laundering, child pornography, white-collar crime, computer crime, intellectual property crime and corruption....

You could put just about anything you want under one of those categories.
I believe it's so they can continue to collect data without have any accountability for how or why they are collecting the information, kinda like the patriot act on steroids. From what I read they have one of the worlds largest data bases.
Just like one of the other members on this board pointed out, this one executive order makes the 4th and 5th amendments useless to anyone that this gets used against.

 

[texas1willy2]

edit: somehow I'm the first goof on this board to post a double, I'm just glad it wasn't a quad or something cause I noticed it didn't post after the first couple clicks then when I saw that it did I blasted out the door.

 

[SWJewellTN]

Common sense says that organizations that have no investigators DO NOT need diplomatic immunity.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

I wouldn't call him a fraud. The UDT's did much of the same stuff as the SEALs, and although it's a bit messed up he claims specifically to have been a SEAL he was at least most of the way there. At least he's not like Steven Segall. Segall claims to have been a SEAL, and has discussed working for the CIA among other claims. The SEALs have officially stated that he was never part of the teams, never even in the Navy, and come to find out never even served in any branch of our armed forces. lol Although he seems to really know his martial arts, those are definitely not the people anyone should want to ever piss off. hehe

 

[M. Sage]

The UDT's did much of the same stuff as the SEALs

Nope, UDT was a demolitions unit and didn't typically engage in direct action against the enemy. UDT knocked a lot of stuff down, but they weren't out in the shit running ops.

 

[majormadmax]

It's simple, did Ventura complete the Navy’s Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training and SEAL Qualification Training? Did he earn the SEAL Trident (a.k.a. the Budweiser)?

If not (and he didn't), he's not a SEAL, and it is incorrect (and fraudulent) for him to claim he was.

Hell, he even admits he was with UDT 12; but still claims he was a SEAL! There is nothing wrong with being a UDT, they kick kick as well; but it is not the same thing!

 

[blacksheep]

The rants of a crazy moon bat, I'll pass on anything this nutsack puts out.

 

[PrayingForWar]

Yeah - besides which, he DIES in it....

I actually laughed out loud at this at the Sam Adam's Bar in the Atlanta Int'l Airport...

 

[Texasjack]

The only show Ill watch with him in it is Predator. I love that mini gun.

Yeah, I have to admit that was pretty cool.

 

[texas1willy2]

This is from a couple months ago somehow I missed it when it was first reported (like they really report this kinda stuff), I found it today fact checking a WorldNetDaily email.
It does exactly what we talked about in this thread earlier attacking our gun rights by signing a international treaty. This is not what has been on the show but, it's
a step in the direction they are taking us.

OBAMA AND UN want to strip FREEDOMS and DESTROY GUN RIGHTS. NO NO NO.
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?letter_id=4268848056
To:
President Barack Obama
Rep. Bobby Scott
Sen. Jim Webb
Sen. Mark Warner

November 17, 2009

With willing one-world accomplices in Washington, D.C., gun-grabbers around the globe believe they have it made.

In fact, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just announced the Obama Administration would be working hand in glove with the UN to pass a new "Small Arms Treaty."

Disguised as legislation to help in the fight against "terrorism," "insurgency" and "international crime syndicates," the UN Small Arms Treaty is nothing more than a massive, GLOBAL gun control scheme.

Ultimately, the UN's Small Arms Treaty is designed to register, ban and CONFISCATE firearms owned by private citizens like YOU.

WE DEMAND your vote AGAINST ratification of the UN's "Small Arms Treaty!"

So far, the gun-grabbers have successfully kept the exact wording of their new scheme under wraps.

If passed by the UN and ratified by the U.S. Senate, the UN "Small Arms Treaty" would almost certainly FORCE national governments to:

*** Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding citizens cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally;
*** CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL "unauthorized" civilian firearms (all firearms owned by the government are excluded, of course);
*** BAN the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons;
*** Create an INTERNATIONAL gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun CONFISCATION.

 

[Burt Gummer]

The rants of a crazy moon bat, I'll pass on anything this nutsack puts out.

Yep. You have to consider the source when listening to theories like he presents. I respect that he served in the Navy but he is more entertaining to me with a feather boa, smashing someone over the head with a metal folding chair like in the 1980's.
The WTC conspiracy was ridiculous.

 

[PrayingForWar]

Yep. You have to consider the source when listening to theories like he presents. I respect that he served in the Navy but he is more entertaining to me with a feather boa, smashing someone over the head with a metal folding chair like in the 1908's.
The WTC conspiracy was ridiculous.

It's not just ridiculous, it's treasonous. It's aiding our enemies by glorifing yourself for the sake fame amoung the stupidest people in the country who believe the ridiculous idea that anyone who works for the government is competent enough to pull off such an operation. Of course since we didn't try and execute Jane Fonda, prescident has been set. Famous lunatics are untouchable unless they're more right wing and lucid than Ciny Sheehan.

 

[texas1willy2]

It's not just ridiculous, it's treasonous. It's aiding our enemies by glorifing yourself for the sake fame amoung the stupidest people in the country who believe the ridiculous idea that anyone who works for the government is competent enough to pull off such an operation. Of course since we didn't try and execute Jane Fonda, prescident has been set. Famous lunatics are untouchable unless they're more right wing and lucid than Ciny Sheehan.

Care to explain any of this or are you just going for vague generalizations?

 

[TheDan]

To paraphrase one of his statements he claimed that since he was a former Navy SeAL he was entitled to see any top secret programs.

Kerry's Vietnam carreer is more legitimate than Jesse's SEAL carrier... When I was in the military I literally worked inside a large safe. I had secret and top secret binders on my desk every day, but if I were to have read you some things out of them you'd be bored to tears. Just because something is top secret doesn't mean it's interesting. Don't get me wrong I worked on some cool stuff, but that was only 0.01% of the job and only interesting to me because I'm a big nerd, lol...

 

[SWJewellTN]

I carried a secret clearance for tactical nuclear weapons, and I agree that some of the secret info was innocuous: however, my point was that even if Jesse carried a Top Secret Security Clearance that does not give him access to all infomation classified Top Secret even if he was an active SeAL at the time. He still doesn't have a "need to know" and his statement was ridiculous even on that level.

After the spy was discovered in the Navy, (I cannot remember his name), in the mid-80's the services' knee-jerk reaction was to pull security clearances on an arbitrary percentage basis. I thought it was stupid to teach me secret stuff, pull my clearance a couple of months later, and then warn me not to divulge any information that I had learned. I bet some officer got a promotion out of that fine example of an imbecilic proposal, but I digress. Even if Ventura had a Top Secret clearance I'd be willing to bet that it was cancelled upon his discharge, and that he was similarly admonished not to divulge any classified information to anyone.