Coronavirus Epidemic, Part 2

[ZX9RCAM]

Except those droplets that might catch in the mask material initially are subsequently forced out of the mask by exhalation. And they come out in an aerosol form, which travels farther than the droplets.

I hadn't thought about that, but it seems to make sense.

 

[oldag]

Employer is really pushing vaccination. I think I will wait a while. First, would want an antibody test to see if I have already had the bug. Second, they rushed this vaccine out, I prefer to see how it pans out. Third, I am not afraid of the virus.

Not that I am anti-vaccine. Just want to make sure the cure is not worse than the problem.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

oldag,

Precisely the way I see it too.

I'm definitely not an anti-vaxxer, but I'm taking the wait and see if those who've gotten the 'rushed to market' vaccine don't keel over in 6 months or grow another head or....?

 

[bbbass]

oldag,

Precisely the way I see it too.

I'm definitely not an anti-vaxxer, but I'm taking the wait and see if those who've gotten the 'rushed to market' vaccine don't keel over in 6 months or grow another head or....?

Or become The Walking Dead!!!

 

[robertc1024]

3) Masks are to keep someone from infecting others by blocking droplets from making it onto or into someone else, not to keep the wearer from getting infected by filtering the virus....

4)... I have no problem with someone wearing a mask. It has ZERO effect on me.

Aren't these contradictory? If a Covid positive person sneezes on you with or without a mask might have an effect on you.

 

[fishingsetx]

Except those droplets that might catch in the mask material initially are subsequently forced out of the mask by exhalation. And they come out in an aerosol form, which travels farther than the droplets.

Do you have a link to research done on this?

Not trying to argue, I am genuinely interested to see the data! I have no problem changing my opinions on things when given good data.

My gut feeling is we dont produce enough force during a normal exhale to aerosolize the droplets that have been absorbed by a medical grade surgical mask (blue 3 layer mask) or N95 mask especially considering most of the air goes out the sides of the mask and not through the material, but that's just a gut feeling.

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[fishingsetx]

Aren't these contradictory? If a Covid positive person sneezes on you with or without a mask might have an effect on you.

First, people shouldn't sneeze on other people, but more importantly, I took the risk of being out and about knowing that there could be a possibility of me getting infected. Now if someone knows they have covid and is still going out in public sneezing on people, then that's where the law should step in. Quarentine the sick and let the healthy live as they see fit.

I should have worded that better. I mean I dont think people should be criticizing other people for wearing a mask. I have no problem with someone wearing one, I just feel no one should be forced by the govt to wear one. I feel the same way about a lot of things. Motorcycle helmets and seatbelts just to name a few. I wouldn't get on the road without them, but I dont agree with making that choice for someone else.

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[oldag]

Do you have a link to research done on this?

Not trying to argue, I am genuinely interested to see the data! I have no problem changing my opinions on things when given good data.

My gut feeling is we dont produce enough force during a normal exhale to aerosolize the droplets that have been absorbed by a medical grade surgical mask (blue 3 layer mask) or N95 mask especially considering most of the air goes out the sides of the mask and not through the material, but that's just a gut feeling.

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You can do a simple experiment. Wet a mask, Breather through it. You may be able to see the aerosol, you will be able to feel it. Your breath is flowing through the mask as well, not just around the mask.

Nothing personal, but I am not going back through another web search on this. Did a lot of research early on. And if you look at studies 2019 and earlier, you will find plenty of studies that say the typical mask (non N95) is worthless with regard to virus transmission.

I should have been clear, I am NOT talking about N95 medical masks. Rather the masks and bandannas that 99% of the folks are suing.

 

[fishingsetx]

You can do a simple experiment. Wet a mask, Breather through it. You may be able to see the aerosol, you will be able to feel it. Your breath is flowing through the mask as well, not just around the mask.

Nothing personal, but I am not going back through another web search on this. Did a lot of research early on. And if you look at studies 2019 and earlier, you will find plenty of studies that say the typical mask (non N95) is worthless with regard to virus transmission.

I should have been clear, I am NOT talking about N95 medical masks. Rather the masks and bandannas that 99% of the folks are suing.

No problem on the web search, I did a search myself but didnt find anything that really mentioned it. I may look again later.

I agree completely on the bandanas, cloth, and other forms of non medical masks. I use a neck gater when we are out and about just to meet the minimum some places require. I have absolutely zero faith in their ability to stop a virus both coming and going.

I cant stand the medical grade masks, but at work, we are required to wear an N95, the blue mask, or a black one just like the blue mask. Has to be 3 layer, held on with ear straps, no exhalation valve and approved before they'll allow it. They are hot, fog my safety glasses, rub my ears, and are just generally uncomfortable.

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[oldag]

People who are vulnerable should be wearing an N95 type medical mask.

I just hate to see vulnerable people being given false confidence that a bandanna or cheap cloth mask is protecting them. With that false confidence, they go out and get exposed.

And the political message is that "if you wear a mask, you are safe." Well, no, not if you are wearing some cheap mask.