Coronavirus Epidemic, Part 2

[jrbfishn]

Unless you the sign has very specific wording, and refuse to leave when asked to by LE, you are unlikely to face arrest.
30.06, 30.07 and 51% signs are mandated by law with specific size and wording. No mask sign is not and carries no more legal meaning than enter or exit signs. Just because the put a sign on the door, wall or window does not mean it is a crime to ignore it.

Sent by an idjit coffeeholic from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

 

[rotor]

However IF the property owner requests you vacate and you do so NONE of your holier than thou post applies.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You broke 30.05 the moment you crossed the sign knowingly and with full knowledge that you were breaking the law. Do I care what happens to you? No. So the store owner didn't press charges, not my concern. Only an idiot admits on social media that he is knowingly breaking the law.
DimWit, I am not encouraging you to wear a mask. The mask I put on doesn't do shit. This issue is not mask yes or no but the rights of a property owner. If you want to argue property owner rights I will. I don't think they should be able to 30.06/07 me so that I am unarmed and unprotected in their store. My life is more important than their "comfort zone". But, our politicians have written 30.05 to give property owners rights to keep dimwits out that they don't want in and it only requires a sign or verbal notice. If the sign says no entrance without a mask than that's notice. If you have a rifle on your back and it says no firearms you have been given notice.
What I do like about you Texas45 is your picture and your smoker. Your logic is something debate-able.

 

[Axxe55]

No disagreement here. Probably most murders are not solved either. Are you going to post on social media that you plan on committing criminal acts no matter what? Are there forum rules that are in violation? I don’t know. Try trespassing while carrying and doing it intentionally. Not a good idea going past those 06/07 signs or 51% bar signs. Or going into a school.

Sorry Rotor, but 30.06, 30.07, and 51% signage carries the legal weight of Texas law. A sign placed on the door of a business requiring a mask does not. That at best is an apple and orange comparison.

Now, if the signage saying a mask was required for entrance to a business, was prefaced with the legal statutes of the state of Texas about trespassing, it might have some weight if you walked past the sign not wearing a mask, but even then, probably not.

And a small factoid on LE officers called to a business for trespassing. Vast majority of the time, they simply ask the person to leave, and not come back. Very, very seldom, unless the person is acting like an idiot, they hardly ever arrest someone, or even cite them for trespassing.

 

[rotor]

Sorry Rotor, but 30.06, 30.07, and 51% signage carries the legal weight of Texas law. A sign placed on the door of a business requiring a mask does not. That at best is an apple and orange comparison.

Now, if the signage saying a mask was required for entrance to a business, was prefaced with the legal statutes of the state of Texas about trespassing, it might have some weight if you walked past the sign not wearing a mask, but even then, probably not.

And a small factoid on LE officers called to a business for trespassing. Vast majority of the time, they simply ask the person to leave, and not come back. Very, very seldom, unless the person is acting like an idiot, they hardly ever arrest someone, or even cite them for trespassing.

Where do you get this from? A sign is a legal means of warning that you are trespassing if not following the sign. If a business puts up a no firearms sign and you walk in with your AR15 over your shoulder are you trespassing? If you can read, read 30.05, very simple explanation that hopefully you can understand as trespassing does carry the weight of Texas law. You don’t even need a sign if you are talking farm land. Purple paint on trees is outlined. Fenced property is enough. We need to take away your law degree. Do yourself a favor and read 30.05 before posting again.

 

[Dougw1515]

One thing I haven't seen anyone bring up is, for lack of a better term, Abandonment of Policy. If the store policy is not enforced over time they then lose the right to then be selective with when or with whom to enforce said policy. Store policy is not "law". Store policy could state everyone has to shop naked. Ewwwww.... But if no one did and they were allowed to conduct business as normal with they're cloths on the store policy becomes moot.

 

[Hoji]

To answer your question, I believe all a sign would have to say is "No entrance without a mask". To hold up in a court it probably would have to be easily visible to anyone walking into the store. It might also include 30.05 wording about trespass. It is not as legally defined as 30.06 and 30.07 laws.

Ok Karen

 

[Texas45]

You broke 30.05 the moment you crossed the sign knowingly and with full knowledge that you were breaking the law. Do I care what happens to you? No. So the store owner didn't press charges, not my concern. Only an idiot admits on social media that he is knowingly breaking the law.
DimWit, I am not encouraging you to wear a mask. The mask I put on doesn't do shit. This issue is not mask yes or no but the rights of a property owner. If you want to argue property owner rights I will. I don't think they should be able to 30.06/07 me so that I am unarmed and unprotected in their store. My life is more important than their "comfort zone". But, our politicians have written 30.05 to give property owners rights to keep dimwits out that they don't want in and it only requires a sign or verbal notice. If the sign says no entrance without a mask than that's notice. If you have a rifle on your back and it says no firearms you have been given notice.
What I do like about you Texas45 is your picture and your smoker. Your logic is something debate-able.

There IS NO mask law.
The sign is NOT a no trespassing sign. It IS a company policy sign.

I chose to ignore the policy as I do many company policies.

They have the RIGHT to post it.

I have the right to ignore it.

ALL 100% of this mask BS is draconian overreach and carries NO legal enforcement.

UNTIL TX or the FED pass a LAW making it mandatory (and we go full tilt commy/socialists) you and all the other mask wearers can

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Tex62]

I’ll just drop this here...

Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis

Many countries across the globe utilized medical and non-medical facemasks as non-pharmaceutical intervention for reducing the transmission and infectivity of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[benenglish]

A sign is a legal means of warning that you are trespassing if not following the sign.

Standard IANAL disclaimer applies but I really don't think so.

A sign, any sign, is not a "legal" anything until the law or a court says it is. It's just words or symbols subject to interpretation.

My favorite example of variable interpretations is the gunbusters sign, the one with a pistol in a circle with a slash through it. Many people think that means "No guns allowed in here." I interpret it to mean "We're going to put up this sign so that the Karens don't talk our ear off but since we know it carries no legal weight what we're really saying is that you're welcome to bring your concealed firearm in this store if you'll just be discreet about it." Thus, I happily walk past gunbusters signs wherever I see them. I, quite reasonably, interpret them to mean "Firearms welcome."

BTW, I interpret 30.06 signs printed in half-inch letters exactly the same way. In fact, I talked to the counter workers about their too-small 30.06 sign at one business I used to frequent. They said exactly what I was thinking: "Yeah, we know the sign's too small to be legal but it sure keeps the busybodies from complaining too much. If you're carrying and we can't see it, no one in here cares."

Until a Texas or higher court or statute says "You are immediately guilty of trespass when you walk past a sign requiring face masks." then those signs carry no legal weight. I don't believe any court or statute in Texas has said anything like that. Yet. (If I'm wrong, I'm sure somebody will show me.)

Beyond that, the store can trespass anyone they want for almost any reason. That's a whole 'nother issue upon which the presence or absence of a sign on the front door has no bearing.

 

[BRD@66]

Rotor, we are just going round and round here. ......

 

[jrbfishn]

I have never worn a mask. Even during the mandate. I have been in a store when LE are present and clearly see me without one.
I have not been arrested yet. If they meant you were committing trespass by not wearing a mask, I would be in jail daily.

Sent by an idjit coffeeholic from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

 

[rotor]

Standard IANAL disclaimer applies but I really don't think so.

A sign, any sign, is not a "legal" anything until the law or a court says it is. It's just words or symbols subject to interpretation.

My favorite example of variable interpretations is the gunbusters sign, the one with a pistol in a circle with a slash through it. Many people think that means "No guns allowed in here." I interpret it to mean "We're going to put up this sign so that the Karens don't talk our ear off but since we know it carries no legal weight what we're really saying is that you're welcome to bring your concealed firearm in this store if you'll just be discreet about it." Thus, I happily walk past gunbusters signs wherever I see them. I, quite reasonably, interpret them to mean "Firearms welcome."

BTW, I interpret 30.06 signs printed in half-inch letters exactly the same way. In fact, I talked to the counter workers about their too-small 30.06 sign at one business I used to frequent. They said exactly what I was thinking: "Yeah, we know the sign's too small to be legal but it sure keeps the busybodies from complaining too much. If you're carrying and we can't see it, no one in here cares."

Until a Texas or higher court or statute says "You are immediately guilty of trespass when you walk past a sign requiring face masks." then those signs carry no legal weight. I don't believe any court or statute in Texas has said anything like that. Yet. (If I'm wrong, I'm sure somebody will show me.)

Beyond that, the store can trespass anyone they want for almost any reason. That's a whole 'nother issue upon which the presence or absence of a sign on the front door has no bearing.

30.05 says a sign is legal and codified as notice that entry is forbidden. 30.06/07 codifies the specifics of the wording and size of letters, etc. and requires that that must be exact to be valid. 30.05 allows a much broader interpretation of a sign ( (C) a sign or signs posted on the property or at the entrance to the building, reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, indicating that entry is forbidden )).

Courts determine guilt. 30.05 clearly states that a person commits an offense .......... etc. read the code for yourself.

Stores can not trespass anyone they want. There are protected class of people.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

'Sidewalk lawyers' otherwise known as free range"KARENs"!

 

[rotor]

There IS NO mask law.
The sign is NOT a no trespassing sign. It IS a company policy sign.

I chose to ignore the policy as I do many company policies.

They have the RIGHT to post it.

I agree there is no Mask law. A sign that says No Entry without (fill in the blank) is a trespass sign. If you do not agree with that so be it. The fact that company policy applies has no meaning.

 

[Hoji]

I agree there is no Mask law. A sign that says No Entry without (fill in the blank) is a trespass sign.

I want you to give that some thought. “No Entry without _________” is a trespass sign? No entry without ear piercings? No entry without Nike shoes? No entry without purple socks?

 

[rotor]

I want you to give that some thought. “No Entry without _________” is a trespass sign? No entry without ear piercings? No entry without Nike shoes? No entry without purple socks?

Whatever the owner of the property says. If it’s a nudist colony it might say no entry with clothes. We give property owners a lot of rights, more than I agree with.

 

[Hoji]

Whatever the owner of the property says. If it’s a nudist colony it might say no entry with clothes. We give property owners a lot of rights, more than I agree with.

A no trespassing sign says “No Trespassing”

 

[rotor]

A no trespassing sign says “No Trespassing”

Those words don’t have to be on the sign. Read Texas 30.05.

 

[Hoji]

Those words don’t have to be on the sign. Read Texas 30.05.

I have. The karendoomer mask signs do not qualify as notice, nor are they enforceable. Clerk has to tell you to gtfo, and you have to refuse to gtfo before it is trespassing

 

[rotor]

I have. The karendoomer mask signs do not qualify as notice, nor are they enforceable. Clerk has to tell you to gtfo, and you have to refuse to gtfo before it is trespassing

Oh great wisdom, you know that from what source? If I had a sign that said Hoji not allowed in, Hoji would not be allowed in. Don’t need the addition of a person reinforcing the sign.