Annnnd,, a medical.representative from the VA was on the news and admitted that most of the patients in that study were in a severe state and near death before being treated for the study.This is medicine.
This is science.
Imperfect but the best we have.
I'm sure some of you will dispute the "science" of the VA study released today that seems to indicate that hydroxychloroquine, a drug prematurely and inapropriately touted as a COVID treatment, caused more deaths that it prevented.
Here:
The VA study.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1
Science.
Imprecise and evolving and the best we have.
They were already reported up in the UK several weeks ago. This problem is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Did you see the confrontation Cuomo had today with a reporting asking about this type of situation?More suicide deaths than covid deaths in Tennessee last week
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/03/2...cide-than-coronavirus-in-tennessee-last-week/
Sadly, we will see more of this if the economy keeps plunging.
Me?
No troll.
How convenient it is and how smug we can be labeling those who disagree with us as a "troll".
I'm neither a democrat nor a liberal nor a republican.
I'm an educated, hopefully well-read and opinionated independent who views none of the candidates from either party as worthy of my vote.
I've mused previously about an interesting dichotomy.
In my professional academic environs I'm quite the conservative, while on this relatively-conservative board I'm perhaps liberal.
I'm profoundly comfortable in my philosophical and political posturing and with my status in life.
A politically active citizen in my profession.
An avid shooter who learns a lot from posts here.
A troll? Please, no thank you.
To reiterate.....
Show me something to support the contention that Iranian Major General Qasem Soleimani's assassination was anything more that a media distraction.
Someone. Please do so.
HKS
This is America you can be whatever gender you want to be.I didn't think hk was a she.
This is medicine.
This is science.
Imperfect but the best we have.
I'm sure some of you will dispute the "science" of the VA study released today that seems to indicate that hydroxychloroquine, a drug prematurely and inapropriately touted as a COVID treatment, caused more deaths that it prevented.
Here:
The VA study.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1
Science.
Imprecise and evolving and the best we have.
This is medicine.
This is science.
Imperfect but the best we have.
I'm sure some of you will dispute the "science" of the VA study released today that seems to indicate that hydroxychloroquine, a drug prematurely and inapropriately touted as a COVID treatment, caused more deaths that it prevented.
Here:
The VA study.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1
Science.
Imprecise and evolving and the best we have.
Personally, I think hydroxychloroquine is a bad idea. Evidence is equivocal, and give the QTc prolonging effects and COVID’s proclivity for cardiomyopathy.
We are all flying blind, but I think it has a good chance of hurting people. I wouldn’t give it to my wife at this time.
I’m not too optimistic. We have frankly minimal treatments for Most viruses out there.
@HKShooter65 Is a physician? He said the other week it was medical consulting. And I could have sworn months ago he said he was in academia. Now, he could be a doctor that teaches and does medical consulting on the side. I’m not gonna call the man a liar, but something doesn’t add up.
To be fair, lots of people in medical professions (especially docs at hospitals) consider themselves in academia.@HKShooter65 Is a physician? He said the other week it was medical consulting. And I could have sworn months ago he said he was in academia. Now, he could be a doctor that teaches and does medical consulting on the side. I’m not gonna call the man a liar, but something doesn’t add up.
So a drug that has been used for decades to treat other stuff and has not done harm enough to warrent removing it from the market.
It has been widely shown in numerous studies to help if given early and at worst do nothing.
I would take it in a heart beat at the first inclinations of me having Kungflu
The vast majority of people who have it at mild stages are going to do well regardless of treatment, and I don’t treat people that don’t require hospitalization.
And the worst it could do it kill them. Patients developed a cardiomyopathy with COVID19 that isn’t really understood. This drug has known cardiomyopic effects.
I’m generally in the “do no harm” camp that the “do something” even if it might hurt you.
Actual infections disease docs treating patients with this protocol see very few cardiac issues develop. Its a known side effect so they test and monitor for it. They have said it at least a dozen times in the interviews I've seen.Like I say I am just a stupid tradesman but the reports I see are with short term use and with CV its very short term the cardiomyopic effects are not seen.