Democrats Losing White Voters?

[itchin]

So I was thinking; with the dems pandering to minorities to the point of throwing the entire white population under the bus. Will more moderates leave the party if we avoid a race war? The whites who voted dem because their parents did? Discuss.

 

[breakingcontact]

Statistically it has been happening with white males. Blue collar unions aren't what they once were so the left is losing a lot of white voters that way.

Basically, they are looking at demographics and placing their bets accordingly.

 

[Jlrockboy]

Ultimately whites wil be a minority around 2035, the last time I saw a demographic study of the US. So, sooner or later the white vote will be a secondary polling statistic. Hispanic was going to be the majority around 2035, than white I think the number was around 32 percent. So, Republicans will have to branch out from a solid white base and pull in other minorities between now and 2035.

 

[breakingcontact]

Ultimately whites wil be a minority around 2035, the last time I saw a demographic study of the US. So, sooner or later the white vote will be a secondary polling statistic. Hispanic was going to be the majority around 2035, than white I think the number was around 32 percent. So, Republicans will have to branch out from a solid white base and pull in other minorities between now and 2035.

Nothing wrong with that, class and culture matter, not race, but I understand how one can indicate a specific propensity for the particular other. Also these historical voting patterns by race can change as well.

I do have hope that there is a way for a total collapse to be prevented, but it is a long shot.

It's a valid discussion that needs to be had. Why do so many people vote in ways that contradict their beliefs? In fact, most people are moderate to slightly right when you survey them...

Low information voters come in all colors.

 

[itchin]

I feel as a white, the dems have blamed everything that goes wrong for a minority on me. I wasn't around when 1.8% owned slaves. And there is no privilege being white. I've had to work hard just to keep us fed and a roof over our heads. I'm not sure how any white could vote democrat.

 

[AcidFlashGordon]

Nothing wrong with that, class and culture matter, not race, but I understand how one can indicate a specific propensity for the particular other. Also these historical voting patterns by race can change as well.

I do have hope that there is a way for a total collapse to be prevented, but it is a long shot.

It's a valid discussion that needs to be had. Why do so many people vote in ways that contradict their beliefs? In fact, most people are moderate to slightly right when you survey them...

Low information voters come in all colors.

There is also family connections (not really what I was looking for). Some families have histories of voting straight party tickets no matter who (or what) is on the ballot. A neighbor, originally from Arkansas, voted straight Democrat Party. When I asked him why he said "Because that's how Daddy voted."

It's not only a racial thing. It involves the individual getting motivated and actually checking the political record of whomever (or whatever) is running. Too many people believe what the candidates promise even if, deep down, they know that candidate will never deliver. My former lead tech made the comment about voters in this country.
"Apathy runs rampant."
To which I replied,
"Who cares." ..... which sent her into a laughing fit. But it is true, unfortunately. Look at the voter numbers. Nearly 2/3 don't bother voting? I'd say that's apathy .... or they use the excuse of "Why bother voting? My vote won't count."

 

[breakingcontact]

There is also family connections (not really what I was looking for). Some families have histories of voting straight party tickets no matter who (or what) is on the ballot. A neighbor, originally from Arkansas, voted straight Democrat Party. When I asked him why he said "Because that's how Daddy voted."

It's not only a racial thing. It involves the individual getting motivated and actually checking the political record of whomever (or whatever) is running. Too many people believe what the candidates promise even if, deep down, they know that candidate will never deliver. My former lead tech made the comment about voters in this country.
"Apathy runs rampant."
To which I replied,
"Who cares." ..... which sent her into a laughing fit. But it is true, unfortunately. Look at the voter numbers. Nearly 2/3 don't bother voting? I'd say that's apathy .... or they use the excuse of "Why bother voting? My vote won't count."

Right, you are describing not only a low information voter but a willfully ignorant low information voter.

 

[Tejano Scott]

I feel as a white, the dems have blamed everything that goes wrong for a minority on me. I wasn't around when 1.8% owned slaves. And there is no privilege being white. I've had to work hard just to keep us fed and a roof over our heads. I'm not sure how any white could vote democrat.

This x 8 million. The sad reality of the matter is that whites vote democrat to promote immoral behavior like abortion, homosexuality, drugs (if you consider that immoral), and for those who hate Christianity so much that they just can't pull the lever for a non-democrat. The GOP is too affiliated as the party of morality. That doesn't appeal to the younger generation who just want to **** whomever they please, do drugs, keep abortion as an option if they're too lazy wear to a condom.

 

[Tejano Scott]

Oh, and free shit. I forgot to to mention that. Democrats trick the lazy whites into thinking they are going to get free shit. The evil Republicans want you lazy bastards to work for it.

 

[itchin]

I don't think some people realize how much the dem party is behind all the riots and stuff going on right now. It's all politics . That's why the facts have been dramatically altered. It brings pandering to a new dangerous extreme.

 

[breakingcontact]

Oh, and free shit. I forgot to to mention that. Democrats trick the lazy whites into thinking they are going to get free shit. The evil Republicans want you lazy bastards to work for it.

The GOP message is an increasingly tough sell especially to the poor.

GOP: "Work hard and you MIGHT do well and become wealthy or maybe not"

Dems: "Here is something today for free. Don't ask any questions and do what we want and there will be more tomorrow."

 

[RoyO]

This x 8 million. The sad reality of the matter is that whites vote democrat to promote immoral behavior like abortion, homosexuality, drugs (if you consider that immoral), and for those who hate Christianity so much that they just can't pull the lever for a non-democrat. The GOP is too affiliated as the party of morality so it doesn't appeal to the younger generation who just want to $#@! whomever they please, do drugs, keep abortion as an option if they're too lazy wear to a condom.

Do you really believe this?

 

[itchin]

Do you really believe this?

Do you have an alternative point to make?

 

[Younggun]

I've seen many reasons that people vote dem who seem to have every reason to vote republican.

A lot of what I see is a lack of trust in the R party. A feeling the Rs are all about big business and big oil with no interest I. The true welfare of the nation.

Personally, I believe most politicians are looking to take care of the big money that got them there so they get that big money next election. And that's not an R vs D thing. It's on both sides.

I've heard a lot of the "Rs wanna control women" crap too.


What I have also seen recently is a big rise in distrust of the dems by traditionally dem voters. Obamas failures and lies have been very bad for the party. They have been creeping towards socialism but I think Obama took such a big bite that it woke up many to what's going on.

The real question is whether or not people will continue to connect it to the party, or think O was different than the rest of the dems and the next den will be better.

 

[Younggun]

What I find interesting is that many have questioned the actions of police for a long time. Many have mentioned that we need to make police part of the community again and not overseers of it. And nothing happened and nobody cared.

Now dems got stomped and suddenly the cops are out of control and it just happens to be a RACE issue. And what's truly sad is that it all Spurs from a GOOD SHOOT!

To me, that points to a heavy political influence coming from somewhere and at a time when the dems need a pedestal.

 

[karlac]

Do you really believe this?

I do.


The liberal/progressive mindset certainly appear to share a common experience.


At some point, and by attempting to exercise what they perceive to be a superior cognitive ability, an attempt at reason is made (hell, they even have a website by that name). No matter that the results of the attempt is neither rational, nor logical, nor deep enough to presage unintended consequences, but by god that singular attempt at reasoning makes them feel, well ... all warm and fuzzy inside.


Therefore, no need for further thought. That single, warm and fuzzy endorphin rush, shallow though it may have been, must henceforth be imposed upon everyone else, by any and all means and, heaven forbid, with no further reasoning necessary.


IOW, classic self delusion, by any other name...

 

[breakingcontact]

Not faulting YGs use of the term socialism as we almost all use it as it applies to BHO et al. I do the same.

In some ways he is a socialist. Weakening our border, promoting disorder, chaos and confusion in society to implement a cultural socialist revolution.

In big ways though, he is actually a fascist. Not just with ruling by fiat, ignoring the rule of law. Obamacare for instance didn't dissolve health insurance companies and the largest are in fact, benefiting. The government created a market and demanded people engage in the market, the largest insurance companies offer the products the government demands the people buy. It is sort of like ethanol. Monsanto, Cargill and my republican farmer friends love them some ethanol. Its a government created market for a government mandated product.

This however is not socialism. It is fascism. Socialism would have been if the state took over the companies

Why do we call BHO a socialist and not a fascist? Well fascism usually has nationalism attached to it, whereas socialism is international (workers of the world unite). Also fascism usually is cultural conservative as it benefits the nation unlike liberalism.

So the big business GOP types get their $. Liberals get their social revolution. Im not a third party type but this is pretty well the deal the GOP and dems have cut over and over. Conservatives and socialists are both left frustrated that too much or not enough has happened.

BHO is a cultural socialist and an economic fascist.

So...back to the OP, where do white voters fit in with that? They typically reject the cultural socialism and the big business promoting fascism. Some will come over to the GOP side, but im betting even more will just become apathetic and apolitical.

 

[satx78247]

RoyO,

What the DIMocRAT coalition is today is a combination of:
1. The America-HATERS out of leftist academia, "Holly-WIERD" & "the smart set",
2. The "progressive" (read FAR left) activists,
3. The "Gim'me something free" crowd
and
4. The "clueless", low-information voters, who are ignorant/stupid enough to believe the KNOWING LIES & propaganda, out of leftist academia, the DNC, DNCC, International A.N.S.W.E.R. & other like groups.

I'm going out on a limb now & predicting that the DIMocRATS in 2016 will NOT nominate HRC, as she is seen as FAR "too moderate" for the current leftist "DIMocRATS elitist leadership".
Instead, they will nominate another fringe LEFTIST like Mike Dukakis out of the Northeast, who will go down to HUMILIATING defeat in NOV16.
(May I remind everyone that Hillary couldn't win the DIMs nomination against an incompetent, largely unknown, FAST-TALKING "con-man" & very junior US senator from IL in 2008?)

just my OPINION, satx

 

[Younggun]

Then there are the ones jumping on the Libertarian train. Problem is, many aren't really libertarian and just want another option.

I don't like that because I have to hear BC talk about what he heard a Libertarian say

 

[breakingcontact]

Then there are the ones jumping on the Libertarian train. Problem is, many aren't really libertarian and just want another option.

I don't like that because I have to hear BC talk about what he heard a Libertarian say

Not just what i heard one say, ive been following libertarians for 15 years now. Liberalitarians!

I am 100% looking forward to Rand Paul running in 2016. I am really curious to see how his message (and version of libertarianism) is received by not only moderate GOP voters but by populists (those pesky folks who claim they vote for the person and not the party and can usually be swayed by someone who is charismatic).

Rand Paul: better looking than Ted Cruz (no homo) and better glasses than Rick Perry. Chicks are going to dig Rand Paul.