Drug Testing for Welfare...

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by Phoebe Ann, Jul 30, 2009.

  1. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann Member

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    There's a poll on Facebook that asks:

    Do you think the US should test for drugs in order for an individual to receive a Welfare or Food Stamp check?

    What's your opinion?

    Do you think this would encourage responsibility? Do you think it's a violation of rights in any way? Even though this is a hypothetical question, do you think this decision would affect you? If so, how?

    Phoebe Ann :texas:
     


  2. M. Sage

    M. Sage TGT Addict

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    No, it doesn't violate rights, since they choose to be on welfare. Voluntary participation means the testing that goes along with it is also voluntary.

    But no, I don't think we should require a drug check. I do however think that we should make it more like unemployment where benefits are limited and you have to show that you're trying to get out of the situation to continue getting benefits.
     
  3. Phoebe Ann

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    Kuddos! I like your answer! Will you call our Senator(s) for me? :rofl:
     
  4. HKUSP45C

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    M.Sage and I are in total agreement. You can't violate the rights people willingly sign away to participate in an activity, much like you don't have the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure when boarding a commercial aricraft.

    We also agree that it's a bad idea, generally speaking. If we're going to give them the cash we should keep our noses out of what they choose to do with it. And, I likewise feel that social programs should have an "end date" to encourage people to become productive. It's supposed to be a "hand up" not a "hand out" as the old saw goes, there are far too many (one is too many) making a long career out of the social systems in this country.

    At some point you have to look at someone and just say "you need a job, not more of everyone else's money."

    If we're going to drug test (again, I'm against it, in principle) we might as well start implanting IUDs too so the women will stop having children while on welfare or requiring men to have their "tubes tied" for the duration of their acceptance of the checks. We should also require the folks who are recieving benefits to type, master a second language and get a GED or they have to pay all of the money back. (Just playing the Devil's advocate here)

    The feds did a great disservice to this country when they standardized welfare guidelines. Charity (even government charity) is best handled by the local communities or the state, not the Federal Government. Hell, if Congress ran the Mojave, there'd be a shortage of sand.
     
  5. kingofwylietx

    kingofwylietx Well-Known

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    I mostly agree with you guys, but I like the idea of drug testing for those on welfare & foodstamps. I think a fair percentage of people on these programs could get off them if they didn't use drugs. Drugs reduce ambition & the drive to succeed. Obviously, there are lots of people on these programs that don't do drugs. If you are going to take tax payers money, it shouldn't make it's way directly into drug dealers hands.
     
  6. DCortez

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    People who think welfare is a good idea should be drug tested.


    Why harass the receivers of a gift?
     
  7. HKUSP45C

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    While I can see where you're going with your reasoning I have to disagree for a few reasons.

    1. We won't treat drug use\addiction in this country as a medical problem (like alcoholism or addiction prescriptions), until we do we will continue to have problems the government will be unable to solve.
    2. If we test someone and the UA comes up dirty what do we do? Stop giving them assistance? How are they helped? Do we lock them up? How are they helped? Provide them with rehab? What if they don't want to quit?
    3. Again, if we're going to hand them money they should be allowed to be as damn fool stupid with it as everyone else who "finds" money.
    4. A standard 4/5 panel UA costs ~40 dollars to administer and analyze, that's a whole bunch of money to spend to "catch" a small percentage of people getting high on the Federal dime. And then, when we do catch them ... Please refer to problem #2

    I'm open to suggestions on how to fix welfare, I just don't think drug testing passes the "sniff test" as an actual step toward a better system.
     
  8. TSU45

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    Never happen. Too many votes are pulled from the promise of welfare. It would take a major reboot of the system.

    ETA: But yes, I do think it should be required. Along with alcohol, albeit a very limited test detection period.
     
  9. Dust

    Dust Active Member

    As the son of two Texas Government social workers, I think, speaking incredibly bluntly, there should be a drug test and a snippy snip for anyone looking to be on welfare, or at least a snippy snip after the first one pops out.
     
  10. baboon

    baboon Well-Known

    Drug test can be beat. And if your laying around getting high instead of working it seems like you could find the time to do it.

    I think putting a cap on how much you can draw makes more sense. I'm also for limiting what you can buy with it. When I have to shop marked down meat & some fat ass welfare queen comes & buys 1.5 pounds of jumbo gulf shrimp then gets them steamed for lunch I get really pissed off.
     

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