Gun Shows and 30.06/ Do You Give Them a Pass?
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txinvestigator
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Of course I go to gun shows with 30.06 posted. It make sense to have it posted.
I've never been to a single gun show that would allow a loaded firearm on the premises. That is the written rule for every single show I've ever even heard of, actually. Thanks to concealed carry, they have to post a 30.06 to prevent a loophole in their own rules. Personally, I think it is going a little overboard to look down upon them for posting a 30.06 sign.
Of course, I failed to mention that they include the rule about loaded firearms for insurance reasons to begin with.
Of course, I failed to mention that they include the rule about loaded firearms for insurance reasons to begin with.
I understand the reasoning for not allowing loaded guns at a gun show. The chance of a accidental shooting would be very high. So many guns are being handled at a gun show, being extra safe is good. If the 3006 sign is posted with that in mind, I understand. If it is posted because someone believes a CHL holder will try to use the gun in a crime at the gun show---well, that is just plain stupid. So, yes I go to gun shows and hope that the sign is there for simple safety, not stupidity.
txinvestigator
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There are yearly reports of folks have NDs at gun shows every year. lets have them all unloaded, OK?
I just don't see the need to carry one in a gun show. You're already surrounded with so many others guns and gun enthusiasts that I feel there's no need.
Also, not carrying into a gun show allows me to carry one more new gun out with me with my hands full of ammo... :-P
Also, not carrying into a gun show allows me to carry one more new gun out with me with my hands full of ammo... :-P
For those of you who piped in with "it's the insurance", okay. But would you give a pass to another buisness that said they had to post it or their insurance carrier would drop them?
I believe that people who boycott buisnesses that post and give the gun shows a pass are hypocrites. Don't gnash your teeth and make excuses, just accept it and move on.
I do not give passes. I changed banks 3 times in the last 9 years, and make it a point to go out of my way to not spend one red cent at 30.06 posted venues.
I believe that people who boycott buisnesses that post and give the gun shows a pass are hypocrites. Don't gnash your teeth and make excuses, just accept it and move on.
I do not give passes. I changed banks 3 times in the last 9 years, and make it a point to go out of my way to not spend one red cent at 30.06 posted venues.
txinvestigator
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Then you don't get it.
"I believe that people who boycott businesses that post and give the gun shows a pass are hypocrites."
Well, that may be true, but that is what I do. I guess I just don't think of it the same way you do. It is true. I am guilty. I give gun shows a pass with their 3006 sign, but won't do business anywhere else that displays the sign.
btw- I am going to the Fort Worth gun show this weekend. Not planning on buying anything, just going to nose around. My CCW will be hidden and locked away in the car while I'm there. I plan on being very alert and scan my surroundings before going to and from my vehicle (I do this whether I am armed or not). If anything looks suspicious, I will have security walk me out to my car. I am not being sarcastic, just stating what I do.
side note---I was at a mall once (carrying my concealed handgun) and as I walked outside I noticed five or six young men just standing around near my car. They looked rather suspicious, so I went back in and got a security guard to walk me out to my vehicle. I think he was happy to get a break from his boredom. As we approached the group, they quickly left. I always look for ways to keep from having to use my defensive weapon, but will not hesitate to use it if necessary.
Well, that may be true, but that is what I do. I guess I just don't think of it the same way you do. It is true. I am guilty. I give gun shows a pass with their 3006 sign, but won't do business anywhere else that displays the sign.
btw- I am going to the Fort Worth gun show this weekend. Not planning on buying anything, just going to nose around. My CCW will be hidden and locked away in the car while I'm there. I plan on being very alert and scan my surroundings before going to and from my vehicle (I do this whether I am armed or not). If anything looks suspicious, I will have security walk me out to my car. I am not being sarcastic, just stating what I do.
side note---I was at a mall once (carrying my concealed handgun) and as I walked outside I noticed five or six young men just standing around near my car. They looked rather suspicious, so I went back in and got a security guard to walk me out to my vehicle. I think he was happy to get a break from his boredom. As we approached the group, they quickly left. I always look for ways to keep from having to use my defensive weapon, but will not hesitate to use it if necessary.
I give gun-shows a pass...sort of. I don't like the 30.06 sign, but a gun show is about the only place where I will voluntarily go, that is posted.
So, I guess you could say I was a hypocrite, but I don't see it that way.
First my reasons for hating the 30.06 sign. I can buy a gun at the gun show. I can buy ammo at the gun show. I could go into the restroom and load the weapon. I can get everything I need to perform a 'mass shooting' at a gun show. So, why doesn't that happen?
Because a gun show is one of the few places where there IS armed security. There are on-duty and off-duty police present.
You cannot use the 'When seconds count, the police are only minutes away' quote...because they are already there.
Most of the places in this nation that have armed security do not allow other weapons on the premises. A gun show provides armed security.
I have carried my gun into every gun show I have been in. At the check in station, I give the LEO my carry weapon and unloaded magazine and he zip ties it for me and it goes back in my holster(for gun-shows I carry OWB). I also have a loaded magazine in my pocket. If I truly needed my gun, it would take all of 2 seconds to break the zip tie, and insert my magazine. Since they do not provide an escort to and from my car, that is what I choose to do. A gun show is one of the few places where large amounts of cash are on hand, as well as a large quantity of weapons.
As far as why they need the signs: People who are selling their own private guns, or looking for a holster for the pistol they bought, or looking for more magazines, or whatever handle weapons much more often than in just about any other case.
When I leave for work, my holster goes on, and my pistol(hopefully) never comes out of that holster. I don't manipulate it while I am waiting for my copy. I don't clear it, or dry-fire, or rack the slide, or inspect the feed ramp, or try on different holsters. I don't do any of those things. It's a loaded firearm and it stays in it's holster unless its needed.
There are people at gun-shows who have never held a gun before. I don't want them to have loaded weapons. Next time you are at a gun show, count how many times you get swept by a muzzle. Or how many times you see somebody with their finger on a trigger. Or how many times somebody dry-fires a weapon and seems surprised at what happens. People go into gun-shows to sell firearms, and just because they are selling their daddy's gun, doesn't mean they have any idea how to clear it.
I for one, am glad that there are officers checking all of the firearms coming into the show...Take a look at their bucket of ammo from 'unloaded guns'. I think you'll be glad they are there, too.
Now, if you have buckets full of money, you could be a test case, since technically, a 30.06 is not valid if the state owns the property(which they do at most of the venues that gun-shows are held).
So, I guess you could say I was a hypocrite, but I don't see it that way.
First my reasons for hating the 30.06 sign. I can buy a gun at the gun show. I can buy ammo at the gun show. I could go into the restroom and load the weapon. I can get everything I need to perform a 'mass shooting' at a gun show. So, why doesn't that happen?
Because a gun show is one of the few places where there IS armed security. There are on-duty and off-duty police present.
You cannot use the 'When seconds count, the police are only minutes away' quote...because they are already there.
Most of the places in this nation that have armed security do not allow other weapons on the premises. A gun show provides armed security.
I have carried my gun into every gun show I have been in. At the check in station, I give the LEO my carry weapon and unloaded magazine and he zip ties it for me and it goes back in my holster(for gun-shows I carry OWB). I also have a loaded magazine in my pocket. If I truly needed my gun, it would take all of 2 seconds to break the zip tie, and insert my magazine. Since they do not provide an escort to and from my car, that is what I choose to do. A gun show is one of the few places where large amounts of cash are on hand, as well as a large quantity of weapons.
As far as why they need the signs: People who are selling their own private guns, or looking for a holster for the pistol they bought, or looking for more magazines, or whatever handle weapons much more often than in just about any other case.
When I leave for work, my holster goes on, and my pistol(hopefully) never comes out of that holster. I don't manipulate it while I am waiting for my copy. I don't clear it, or dry-fire, or rack the slide, or inspect the feed ramp, or try on different holsters. I don't do any of those things. It's a loaded firearm and it stays in it's holster unless its needed.
There are people at gun-shows who have never held a gun before. I don't want them to have loaded weapons. Next time you are at a gun show, count how many times you get swept by a muzzle. Or how many times you see somebody with their finger on a trigger. Or how many times somebody dry-fires a weapon and seems surprised at what happens. People go into gun-shows to sell firearms, and just because they are selling their daddy's gun, doesn't mean they have any idea how to clear it.
I for one, am glad that there are officers checking all of the firearms coming into the show...Take a look at their bucket of ammo from 'unloaded guns'. I think you'll be glad they are there, too.
Now, if you have buckets full of money, you could be a test case, since technically, a 30.06 is not valid if the state owns the property(which they do at most of the venues that gun-shows are held).
So you are okay with trading freedom for security. You trust the government{or agents of said government} to protect you. You do not trust your fellow gun owner.
Cool. You are the first person I have ever had to post the reasons you are okay with giving a pass to the GS.
While I do not agree with your position, you have every right in the world to have it.
As to seeing halfwits muzzle a crowd, that is why I pretty much quit going to gun shows in the first place{ that and no real deals on anything except jerky}. The 30.06 posting was just icing on the cake.
Cool. You are the first person I have ever had to post the reasons you are okay with giving a pass to the GS.
While I do not agree with your position, you have every right in the world to have it.
As to seeing halfwits muzzle a crowd, that is why I pretty much quit going to gun shows in the first place{ that and no real deals on anything except jerky}. The 30.06 posting was just icing on the cake.
I have said it before and I will say it again - 30.06 signs are NOT about anti-gun as much as they are about property rights.
It's like me not allowing a communist to hold a meeting in my living room. It's my property and if I do not agree with the communist, he has to find another place to spew forth his rhetoric.
And since all liberty springs forth from the sanctity of property rights, I will fight hair tooth and nail for them - even if it means Jared Jewelers won't let me carry a sidearm into their store! If I don't like their rules, I will buy overpriced shiny things elsewhere - if their policy offends enough people, they will be forced to reconsider or go out of business.
I hear people complain about not being able to exercise their revocable privilege (CHL is not a right in this "free" country) but rant against business owners for exercising their property rights. You can't have it both ways, property rights MUST be respected or there will be no rights......
It's like me not allowing a communist to hold a meeting in my living room. It's my property and if I do not agree with the communist, he has to find another place to spew forth his rhetoric.
And since all liberty springs forth from the sanctity of property rights, I will fight hair tooth and nail for them - even if it means Jared Jewelers won't let me carry a sidearm into their store! If I don't like their rules, I will buy overpriced shiny things elsewhere - if their policy offends enough people, they will be forced to reconsider or go out of business.
I hear people complain about not being able to exercise their revocable privilege (CHL is not a right in this "free" country) but rant against business owners for exercising their property rights. You can't have it both ways, property rights MUST be respected or there will be no rights......
I still enjoy gunshows. My wife is getting interested in shooting and has expressed an interest in getting her CHL. Having a place where she can hold and dry-fire hundreds of weapons is worth the price of admission. Even if it weren't for her, I can pick up reloading supplies cheaper at a gunshow than I can at Bass Pro or Cabellos.
A gunshow is one of the few places where tons of people have and handle guns in today's society. If I am at my local stop and rob and I see somebody holding a pistol with their finger on the trigger I can feel fairly confident that they are a threat to my life and I can react appropriately. At a gunshow I do not have that luxary. While I might like to shoot everybody who points a gun at me at a gunshow, I cannot. Because I can't shoot them, I would like to have as much assurance as I can that their guns are unloaded.
And like I said, I'm not exactly trusting to the gov't to protect me. I still have a semi-ready gun, and a loaded magazine.
It's not the same as it was 200 years ago. I would guess that about 25% of the people at a gunshow have never shot a gun and I would venture to guess that 60-80% of them have no idea what the 4 rules are.
As wrong as it feels to say it...it's one of the few exceptions where I will say that for safety, I would rather there be no loaded guns.
This is my point exactly. I will respect your private property rights and spend elsewhere.
I also completely agree that a CHL is an infringement, but it is a choose your battle thing with me. Spend thousands on a lawyer to defend me on a UCW charge, or just pay the State so I can "lawfully "carry.
Choosing not to do buisness with 30.06 posted venues does not cost anything, and I get the satisfaction of being fairly sure that the places I spend money dont have a problem with my gun.
Enron Exec
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I'll agree with allowing CHL to carry loaded in gun shows when everyone promises not to ND.
Don't be droll. At least half of the NDs I have witnessed at gun shows have been vendors. The next biggest group is local law enforcement{only ones professional enough}
I simply choose not to spend money with buisness that does not want me in their store, and I am consistent across the board. To do anything else would be hypocritical.
If you do not trust your fellow gun owner then just say so and lock yourself in your house and never leave.
Enron Exec
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Well, either my standards are too high or Texas's standards for passing a CHL course are too low. Or maybe a little of both.
Carry
There is a reason I carry all the time and do not ever leave my firearm in my vehicle. Therefore I do not go to a gun show. All the rationality in the world can be applied as to why they have the 30.06 sign. I do, will not, shop at a place where I am not wanted. Just my personal feelings.
There is a reason I carry all the time and do not ever leave my firearm in my vehicle. Therefore I do not go to a gun show. All the rationality in the world can be applied as to why they have the 30.06 sign. I do, will not, shop at a place where I am not wanted. Just my personal feelings.
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