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[leVieux]

"But, if any Doc senses patient frustration, they should take time for a “talk”; either then or soon, “ASAP”, later."

Why does that statement sound...ominous?

Many of today’s “Primary Patient Care” Docs are now employees of hospital-run networks and are overscheduled by “administrators” in their quest for money. Therefore, a lot of them can’t just say “Come into my private office, and we’ll discuss it”, as we used to do, traditionally.

The government & deep state have unwisely given hospitals power over individual Physicians. This has nullified the traditional “Patient Advocate” role of those Physicians, to the great detriment of us all. “No man can serve two masters”, remember ?

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

As in utmb?

 

[Brains]

>
Really sounds that you got some insecure Docs. But, I can recall way back when I was a Family Physician, lots of folks really didn’t like to hear that we didn’t actually know, or that a prior dx was wrong. For example, very, very few patients who claimed to have the “flu” actually had the “flu”; but they would get upset when told that by an MD. Also some ethnicities demand antibiotic shots, no matter the condition. Trying to establish rapport can be frustrating, to both parties. But, if any Doc senses patient frustration, they should take time for a “talk”; either then or soon, “ASAP”, later.

Let me simplify it. If a doc explains something, but when questioned cannot back it up with something verifiable, credibility is lost. That is why people are pushing back on the whole mask narrative (observations don't match), and why docs defending it are not getting much traction.

We're eroding trust in our medical professionals in a way that will come back to bite us all in the butt.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

leV,

No comment or are you otherwise 'indisposed'?

 

[benenglish]

Many of today’s “Primary Patient Care” Docs are now employees of hospital-run networks and are overscheduled by “administrators” in their quest for money. ...

The government & deep state have unwisely given hospitals power over individual Physicians. This has nullified the traditional “Patient Advocate” role of those Physicians...

My best doctor, among the many specialists I must see, is the only one who is part of a practice that has remained independent. I don't think that's a coincidence.

 

[TX OMFS]

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[leVieux]

Let me simplify it. If a doc explains something, but when questioned cannot back it up with something verifiable, credibility is lost. That is why people are pushing back on the whole mask narrative (observations don't match), and why docs defending it are not getting much traction.

We're eroding trust in our medical professionals in a way that will come back to bite us all in the butt.

!) No “mask” is perfect, but just about all are better than nothing.
2) We have plenty “woke” folks in Medicine and not a few morons.
3) IMHO & extensive experience, many Docs and Patients put way too much faith in “Medical Literature”. Sadly, our literature is filled with errors and nonnsense, not to mention propaganda and “bought results”.
4) Please explain your term “verifiable”.

 

[leVieux]

!) No “mask” is perfect, but just about all are better than nothing.
2) We have plenty “woke” folks in Medicine and not a few morons.
3) IMHO & extensive experience, many Docs and Patients put way too much faith in “Medical Literature”. Sadly, our literature is filled with errors and nonnsense, not to mention propaganda and “bought results”.
4) Please explain your term “verifiable”.

>
Just so Y’all all know, I was just trying to give an update composed of current data/opinions from REAL Experts in our area, not trying to start arguments.

leVieux
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[jrbfishn]

In case you haven't noticed, the "real experts" have been wrong for the last 2 years and us non-experts are about fed up. They came up with "new science", and proved that it kills people for their own good.

It's time to go back to "old science".

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[candcallen]

Covid turned one of the most trusted professions into essentially congress levels of approval.

Otherwise smart intelligent scientists were brow beat or happily rolled over into authoritarian mouth pieces when they knew better.

Follow the science, bullshit. Science is about proving stuff wrong till truth, as best we can figure it is all that's left.

Scientists were turned into confirmation bias semen dumpsters sucking off the pronunciations of the cdc when even laymen knew better and actual working scientists who sounded the alarm of not so fast were destroyed professionally.

In the beginning everyone knew things were going to change fast and often as we learned about covid. Instead of scientists searching for answers we allowed politicians to give them answers and send them on a search for confirmation. They violated their training and their oath and rightfully so lost our trust.

People, drs pols, are still regurgating CDC pronunciations that the cdc has even debunkd, quietly I might add instead of announcing it loudly that they were wrong. Or that the cdc has simply posted research debunking their claims.

Again. We don't expect them to be all knowing Gods regardless of their egos. Reasonable people expect those learning new stuff to make honest mistakes and evolve their understanding. It's OK to do so as it's how we learn. It's not ok to act like they did with covid. Shit, the damage done to the kids alone will be felt for a generation atleast, and all done absolutely against all scientific knowledge that what they were doing was harmful. Again against their oaths.

Sanity ruled in Florida while insanity ruled in New York. They might as well have marched those people into the showers at a concentration camp cause they gleefully murder them just the same. For God sakes packing compromised people into facilities filled with sick people was murder. The same goes for locking thousands down into densely populated housing in NYC. Again going against all accumulated knowledge about the spread of such illness in such places gathered since the middle ages. Following science my ass! Where were the so called drs?

As for the masks. Every middle school kid knows that stuff you exhale is in vapor droplets. Heavy ones fall to the ground and surfaces where they get touched and spread around. Thus is why you wash your hands, as we have been told to do for the flu and cold for decades, and don't touch your face.

The smaller vapor stays air born and goes thru masks. Even N95. This is the stuff that's dangerous and why the stupid of paper and cloth masks being forced upon people was so stupid. And dont even get me started on the repeated use and touching of these masks by contaminated hands. It made them from being of little use to useless but the authoritarian covidiens used them as a virtue signaling tool of control and conformity and ostracized anyone who dissented. They knew they were of little use due to medical staff using them still getting sick. Again you learn and evolve unless your goal is simply to control. I guess we shouldn't be suprised, it's what politicians do and they were running things not the drs.

If they were honest in that we don't know everything and pushed the info of protecting yourself thru known hygiene and mitigation trust would never have been lost. If they were upfront about tge evolution of knowledge and presenting facts and allowing free people to make informed decisions trust would never have been lost.

Then you have the proven and still repeated lies about the vaccines. My God, people lost family friends jobs and were even driven to kill themselves over this shit. They onky trigger an immune response peroid. That's all they were tested for. Not fir preventing illness and transmission of a genetically modified corona virus. They phucking knowingly and repeatedly lied. And again ignored hundreds of years of knowledge about natural immunity from contracting the virus and how such viruses attenuate over time thru basic evolution. Again violation of oath and training.

And you want us to blindly trust anyone from the government or medical community who went along to get along?

I'm not a Dr but I'm not an indoctrinated automaton. The medical community has lots of work and introspection to do if they wanna regain trust. They must remain independent of the government and not allow this shit to ever happen again.

It will take time.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

Covid turned one of the most trusted professions into essentially congress levels of approval.

Otherwise smart intelligent scientists were brow beat or happily rolled over into authoritarian mouth pieces when they knew better.

Follow the science, bullshit. Science is about proving stuff wrong till truth, as best we can figure it is all that's left.

Scientists were turned into confirmation bias semen dumpsters sucking off the pronunciations of the cdc when even laymen knew better and actual working scientists who sounded the alarm of not so fast were destroyed professionally.

In the beginning everyone knew things were going to change fast and often as we learned about covid. Instead of scientists searching for answers we allowed politicians to give them answers and send them on a search for confirmation. They violated their training and their oath and rightfully so lost our trust.

People, drs pols, are still regurgating CDC pronunciations that the cdc has even debunkd, quietly I might add instead of announcing it loudly that they were wrong. Or that the cdc has simply posted research debunking their claims.

Again. We don't expect them to be all knowing Gods regardless of their egos. Reasonable people expect those learning new stuff to make honest mistakes and evolve their understanding. It's OK to do so as it's how we learn. It's not ok to act like they did with covid. Shit, the damage done to the kids alone will be felt for a generation atleast, and all done absolutely against all scientific that what they were doing was harmful. Again against their oaths.

Sanity ruled in Florida while insanity ruled in New York. They might as well have marched those people into the showers at a concentration camp cause they gleefully murder them just the same. For God sakes packing compromised people into facilities filled with sick people was murder. The same goes for locking thousands down into densely populated housing in NYC. Again going against all accumulated knowledge about the spread of such illness in such places gathered since the middle ages. Following science my ass! Where were the so called drs?

As for the masks. Every middle school kid knows that stuff you exhale is in vapor droplets. Heavy ones fall to the ground and surfaces where they get touched and spread around. Thus is why you wash your hands, as we have been told to do for the flu and cold for decades, and don't touch your face.

The smaller vapor stays air born and goes thru masks. Even N95. This is the stuff that's dangerous and why the stupid of paper and cloth masks being forced upon people was so stupid. And dot even get me started on the repeated use and touching of these masks by contaminated hands. It made them from being of little use to useless but the authoritarian covidiens used them as a virtue signaling tool of control conformity and ostracized anyone who dissented.

If they were honest in that we don't know everything and pushed the info of protecting yourself thru known hygiene and mitigation trust would never have been lost.

Then the proven and still repeated lies about the vaccines. My God, people lost family friends jobs and were even driven to kill themselves over this shit.

And you want us to blindly trust anyone from the government or medical community who went along to get along?

Very well said sir, follow the science indeed....follow the science gathered impericaly from plagues in the past . Problem is no one has been taught to think in decades (as we were) rather they are taught to question traditional norms and be submissive and obedient to the powers that be lest they lose favor and their way, pathetic, tragic actually.

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[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

cand,

Excellent post!

Bravo!!

 

[jrbfishn]

Covid turned one of the most trusted professions into essentially congress levels of approval.

Otherwise smart intelligent scientists were brow beat or happily rolled over into authoritarian mouth pieces when they knew better.

Follow the science, bullshit. Science is about proving stuff wrong till truth, as best we can figure it is all that's left.

Scientists were turned into confirmation bias semen dumpsters sucking off the pronunciations of the cdc when even laymen knew better and actual working scientists who sounded the alarm of not so fast were destroyed professionally.

In the beginning everyone knew things were going to change fast and often as we learned about covid. Instead of scientists searching for answers we allowed politicians to give them answers and send them on a search for confirmation. They violated their training and their oath and rightfully so lost our trust.

People, drs pols, are still regurgating CDC pronunciations that the cdc has even debunkd, quietly I might add instead of announcing it loudly that they were wrong. Or that the cdc has simply posted research debunking their claims.

Again. We don't expect them to be all knowing Gods regardless of their egos. Reasonable people expect those learning new stuff to make honest mistakes and evolve their understanding. It's OK to do so as it's how we learn. It's not ok to act like they did with covid. Shit, the damage done to the kids alone will be felt for a generation atleast, and all done absolutely against all scientific knowledge that what they were doing was harmful. Again against their oaths.

Sanity ruled in Florida while insanity ruled in New York. They might as well have marched those people into the showers at a concentration camp cause they gleefully murder them just the same. For God sakes packing compromised people into facilities filled with sick people was murder. The same goes for locking thousands down into densely populated housing in NYC. Again going against all accumulated knowledge about the spread of such illness in such places gathered since the middle ages. Following science my ass! Where were the so called drs?

As for the masks. Every middle school kid knows that stuff you exhale is in vapor droplets. Heavy ones fall to the ground and surfaces where they get touched and spread around. Thus is why you wash your hands, as we have been told to do for the flu and cold for decades, and don't touch your face.

The smaller vapor stays air born and goes thru masks. Even N95. This is the stuff that's dangerous and why the stupid of paper and cloth masks being forced upon people was so stupid. And dont even get me started on the repeated use and touching of these masks by contaminated hands. It made them from being of little use to useless but the authoritarian covidiens used them as a virtue signaling tool of control and conformity and ostracized anyone who dissented. They knew they were of little use due to medical staff using them still getting sick. Again you learn and evolve unless your goal is simply to control. I guess we shouldn't be suprised, it's what politicians do and they were running things not the drs.

If they were honest in that we don't know everything and pushed the info of protecting yourself thru known hygiene and mitigation trust would never have been lost. If they were upfront about tge evolution of knowledge and presenting facts and allowing free people to make informed decisions trust would never have been lost.

Then you have the proven and still repeated lies about the vaccines. My God, people lost family friends jobs and were even driven to kill themselves over this shit. They onky trigger an immune response peroid. That's all they were tested for. Not fir preventing illness and transmission of a genetically modified corona virus. They phucking knowingly and repeatedly lied. And again ignored hundreds of years of knowledge about natural immunity from contracting the virus and how such viruses attenuate over time thru basic evolution. Again violation of oath and training.

And you want us to blindly trust anyone from the government or medical community who went along to get along?

I'm not a Dr but I'm not an indoctrinated automaton. The medical community has lots of work and introspection to do if they wanna regain trust. They must remain independent of the government and not allow this shit to ever happen again.

It will take time.

The last two years in a nutshell.

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[oldag]

Covid turned one of the most trusted professions into essentially congress levels of approval.

Otherwise smart intelligent scientists were brow beat or happily rolled over into authoritarian mouth pieces when they knew better.

Follow the science, bullshit. Science is about proving stuff wrong till truth, as best we can figure it is all that's left.

Scientists were turned into confirmation bias semen dumpsters sucking off the pronunciations of the cdc when even laymen knew better and actual working scientists who sounded the alarm of not so fast were destroyed professionally.

In the beginning everyone knew things were going to change fast and often as we learned about covid. Instead of scientists searching for answers we allowed politicians to give them answers and send them on a search for confirmation. They violated their training and their oath and rightfully so lost our trust.

People, drs pols, are still regurgating CDC pronunciations that the cdc has even debunkd, quietly I might add instead of announcing it loudly that they were wrong. Or that the cdc has simply posted research debunking their claims.

Again. We don't expect them to be all knowing Gods regardless of their egos. Reasonable people expect those learning new stuff to make honest mistakes and evolve their understanding. It's OK to do so as it's how we learn. It's not ok to act like they did with covid. Shit, the damage done to the kids alone will be felt for a generation atleast, and all done absolutely against all scientific knowledge that what they were doing was harmful. Again against their oaths.

Sanity ruled in Florida while insanity ruled in New York. They might as well have marched those people into the showers at a concentration camp cause they gleefully murder them just the same. For God sakes packing compromised people into facilities filled with sick people was murder. The same goes for locking thousands down into densely populated housing in NYC. Again going against all accumulated knowledge about the spread of such illness in such places gathered since the middle ages. Following science my ass! Where were the so called drs?

As for the masks. Every middle school kid knows that stuff you exhale is in vapor droplets. Heavy ones fall to the ground and surfaces where they get touched and spread around. Thus is why you wash your hands, as we have been told to do for the flu and cold for decades, and don't touch your face.

The smaller vapor stays air born and goes thru masks. Even N95. This is the stuff that's dangerous and why the stupid of paper and cloth masks being forced upon people was so stupid. And dont even get me started on the repeated use and touching of these masks by contaminated hands. It made them from being of little use to useless but the authoritarian covidiens used them as a virtue signaling tool of control and conformity and ostracized anyone who dissented. They knew they were of little use due to medical staff using them still getting sick. Again you learn and evolve unless your goal is simply to control. I guess we shouldn't be suprised, it's what politicians do and they were running things not the drs.

If they were honest in that we don't know everything and pushed the info of protecting yourself thru known hygiene and mitigation trust would never have been lost. If they were upfront about tge evolution of knowledge and presenting facts and allowing free people to make informed decisions trust would never have been lost.

Then you have the proven and still repeated lies about the vaccines. My God, people lost family friends jobs and were even driven to kill themselves over this shit. They onky trigger an immune response peroid. That's all they were tested for. Not fir preventing illness and transmission of a genetically modified corona virus. They phucking knowingly and repeatedly lied. And again ignored hundreds of years of knowledge about natural immunity from contracting the virus and how such viruses attenuate over time thru basic evolution. Again violation of oath and training.

And you want us to blindly trust anyone from the government or medical community who went along to get along?

I'm not a Dr but I'm not an indoctrinated automaton. The medical community has lots of work and introspection to do if they wanna regain trust. They must remain independent of the government and not allow this shit to ever happen again.

It will take time.

Well said.

 

[candcallen]

Masks Better than nothing? To what degree and under what conditions.

That's the problem. 1 or 2 percent better than not wearing a couple sheets of paper over your face under perfect conditions of not being reused, properly fitting and not contaminated. In other words outside of a few minutes use in a medical setting they are useless.

N95 are better. Kn95 even better for stopping said vapors. But not if reused or contaminated. It's theater. Untill there is enough for a new one for every person to wear at the proper intervals and change I submit they are statistically, on the whole, meaningless. Better than nothing?

The same goes for the numbers pumped out by those wanting to control. Increase in positives requires lockdown or extended emergency measures. In reality the increase could be statistically meaningless, the severity of illness lower and even lower hospital rates but they don't say that cause they aren't following science or results.

Withholding all the information All ways results in loss of trust. Tell the damn truth. All the truth and let intelligent free people make their own decisions.

The truth was always fluid and somewhere in the middle between the conspiracy folks and authoritarian covidiens. Allowing either side to control the discussion or policy does damage to us all. Both groups are responsible for killing people thru actual misinformation. In America that is an accepted result of freedom. Polarized demagoguery only increases the death toll. I would bet you more people were killed thru where housing lockdowns of sick people with not sick people, deaths from loss of access to medical care from lockdiwns or no vaccinations and the resulting depression and suicide than places where the opposit occurred.

Regardless of ones opinion you do not jettison freedom and our way of life and institute authoritarian controls to save anything. It has never worked, only prolonged suffering.

 

[wakosama]

 

[gll]

"Toxoplasmosis gondii infection has been related to mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, as well as mood, personality, and other behavioral changes. Oct 5, 2021"

Behavioral alterations in long-term Toxoplasma gondii infection of C57BL/6 mice are associated with neuroinflammation and disruption of the blood brain barrier - PubMed

The Apicomplexa protozoan Toxoplasma gondii is a mandatory intracellular parasite and the causative agent of toxoplasmosis. This illness is of medical importance due to its high prevalence worldwide and may cause neurological alterations in immunocompromised persons. In chronically infected...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"A strong link between schizophrenia and a higher mortality rate from SARS-CoV-2 infections has been reported for schizophrenia patients, with a mortality odds ratio (OR) of 2.67 compared to normal patients, after adjustment of the OR for age, sex, race and extra risk factors. In addition, an extensive number of papers have reported a very strong link between schizophrenia and Toxoplasma gondii infections."

The link between Toxoplasma gondii infections and higher mortality in COVID-19 patients having schizophrenia - PubMed

A strong link between schizophrenia and a higher mortality rate from SARS-CoV-2 infections has been reported for schizophrenia patients, with a mortality odds ratio (OR) of 2.67 compared to normal patients, after adjustment of the OR for age, sex, race and extra risk factors. In addition, an...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Toxoplasmosis is caused by the protozoan parasite Toxoplasma gondii. In the United States it is estimated that 11% of the population 6 years and older have been infected with Toxoplasma. In various places throughout the world, it has been shown that more than 60% of some populations have been infected with Toxoplasma."

CDC - Toxoplasmosis - Epidemiology & Risk Factors

Education and information about Toxoplasmosis epidemiology including various forms of transmission such as foodborne, animal-to-human (zoonotic), congenital, and other risk factors.

www.cdc.gov

"These results indicate that ivermectin significantly inhibited replication of the tachyzoites of Toxoplasmosis gondii RH strain."

In Vitro Effects of Ivermectin and Sulphadiazine on Toxoplasma gondii - PubMed

These results indicate that ivermectin significantly inhibited replication of the tachyzoites of T. gondii RH strain.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Symptoms of psychosis or mania in individuals who have not been infected with COVID-19 are identical to symptoms of COVID-induced mania or COVID psychosis."

Psychosis and Mania from Covid: What to Know

Reports of people with COVID-19 infections who show signs of post-COVID psychosis and mania are increasing. Learn why and how to get help.

fherehab.com

OK, I'm trying to make a connection that I can't prove exists..., but who here doesn't think people are going nuts? And I don't mean zombie killer nuts, but more like polite society destroying nuts, like on the edge...

So, Covid reactivates Toxoplasma which is implicated in schizophrenia, and somehow ivermectin, which may be a treatment for both is actively discouraged as a treatment for Covid...

Regardless of whether there is a Covid/Toxoplasma connection, psychosis/mania in people not previously diagnosed is being recognized as a result of Covid infection.

I wrote the above yesterday, but decided not to post it... conspiracy theory you know..., but the topic intrigues me, and I found this reddit thread today... I'm way behind the ball on this one.

"CoVid-19: Toxoplasmosis and Ivermectin
I wondered what the reality of Ivermectin's ability to treat CoVid really was, so I started with what Ivermectin was really meant to cure: Toxoplasmosis

This is a fairly common parasitic infection, 200,000 infections in the US annually, resulting from cats and poorly prepared foods. As of 2017 there are approximately 95 million cats in households in the US. That translates to potentially high toxoplasmosis infections.

I'm sure you're thinking, "What does that have to do with CoVid?", well I'll tell you.

The average age for cat owners is 55 to 64 years in age. The average death rate for CoVid infections in people between 45-74 is 47.3% and 48.7% in 75+.

Not only that, but Toxoplasmosis causes Encephalitis. CoVid is theorized to cause Encephalitis as well, but I hold a different opinion.

I believe CoVid-19 reactivates Toxoplasmosis in some way, and i'm not the only one..."

Topic continues with citations...

 

[Johnny Diamond]

Intriguing

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[SA_Steve]

Sudden death epidemic: Excess mortality among young, middle-aged Americans skyrockets - LifeSite

If these trends continue at this same rate, it's an absolute disaster for our economy and society at large.

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[SA_Steve]

People Died From mRNA-Vaccine-Damaged Hearts, New Peer-Reviewed German Study Provides Direct Evidence

www.theepochtimes.com