Revelation 2:8-11[h=1][/h]IRS Strikes Deal With Atheists To Monitor Sermons And Homilies - Investors.com
For my Christian brothers here...get ready.
Revelation 2:8-11[h=1][/h]IRS Strikes Deal With Atheists To Monitor Sermons And Homilies - Investors.com
For my Christian brothers here...get ready.
1) First thing to be done is to look at Texas and Fl, they do it, they do it with much success, no need to reinvent wheels on this puppy its already in the hunt.Agreed.
However, no one has come up with a decent plan to migrate federal spending to this source of funds. To maintain current levels, the national VAT would, despite what some snake oil salesmen would have you believe, exceed 30%. We'd also get a federal-level bloodbath of dirty politics when it comes to deciding what gets taxed or what gets taxed and rebated. National sales taxes are generally simpler than progressive income taxes but they can still be surprisingly complex. And, hoo boy, the number of shell corps that that would be set up to facilitate transfers of assets via any method other than a taxed sale would explode; there would be millions of new ones, overnight.
For national-scope expenditures to be funded via sales tax the transition is impossible unless those expenditures are first cut to a manageable level. Most functions would need to be returned to state control and the size of the federal government radically reduced.
I'm in favor of starting down that path but I don't see anyone making any notable progress in that direction.
Returning to the original subject of the thread - I wonder how the principle of not establishing a state religion would survive under a government where power is radically shifted to the individual states? My guess is that in some states, sharia law would officially take hold. In others, they'd start burning witches at the stake again.
And that's only a mild exaggeration.
Still, it would be an interesting experiment.
So YES the IRS is crawling into the socks of churches and there is a reason for it. So as the govt can control the message.
What we have going on is a transfer of of worship of a divine being. In order for a dictatorship to work the govt MUST take God off the table. The govt must force you the individual to believe that its the govt that takes care of you. Not the God, not the Church, not your friends but the govt. Hence the comprehensive welfar programs which incule food, utilities, transportation, spending money, shelter, cell fones, now POT for the poor, bicycles for the kids 12 and under.
The church gives you self reliance and the belief that God is divine and will help those who help themselves. Govt does not want that, the govt will provide. Then you begin see the govt and its leader as the messiah, the granter of rights, not God. Under a dictator ship there are NO inalienable rights, ALL rights begin and end with the state and the supreme leader. Obama!
The Barack Obama SongWho is our 44th President?
Obama is our 44th President
Who is a DC resident?
Obama is a DC resident
Resident, President
Who’s favorite team is the Chicago White Sox?
Obama’s favorite team is the Chicago White sox
Who really thinks outside the box?
Obama really thinks outside the box
Outside the box, Chicago White Sos
Resident, President
Who really likes to play basketball?
Obama really likes to play basketball
Who’s gonna answer our every call?
Every Call, Basketball
Outside the box, Chicago White Sox
Resident, President
Who’s famous slogan is Yes we can?
Obams’s famous slogan is Yes we can
Who do we know is the man?
Barack Obama is the man
He’s our man, Yes we can!
Every Call, Basketvall
Outside the box, Chicago White Sox
Resident, President
Who won a grammy for “Dreams of my Father”?
Obama won a grammy for “Dreams of my Father”?
Now can you guess who’s a famous author
Barack Obama is a famous author
Famous Author, Dreams of my Father
He’s our man, Yes we can!
Every Call, Basketball
Outside the box. Chicago White Sox
Resident President
Who wants to go to college at Yale?
Malia & Sasha will go to college at Yale
Who’ll make sure they won’t fail?
Barack & Michelle know they won’t fail
They won’t fail, they’re going to Yale
Famous Author, Dream of my Father
He’s our man, Yes we can!
Every Call, Basketball
Outside the box, Chicago White Sox
Resident, President
I suppose so.
The problems with transitioning to that are pretty profound, though. I still maintain that moving functions to the states (to kill or fund as they see fit) with the concomitant massive reduction of the federal government (that should result) is a necessary precursor to successful implementation.
And that's if I grant that it's a worthy goal...which I'm on the fence about.
Exactly. Regulations are used to punish the political enemies of whoever is in power. Their political friends get turned a blind eye, or even more blatantly granted a "waiver."So I wonder if all those churches that have Dem candidates come and make campaign speeches will get their status pulled?
Didn't think so.
Yeah that's the point, lol...For national-scope expenditures to be funded via sales tax the transition is impossible unless those expenditures are first cut to a manageable level. Most functions would need to be returned to state control and the size of the federal government radically reduced.
I think I read about that in some old document no one pays attention to anymoreThe IRS isn't needs if they collect revenues directly from ye states and end apportionment and Federal social programs.
It's true that beating income tax is easy in some ways. Home improvements, paid for with cash, are a time-honored way of concealing income. You would be surprised at some of the palatial interiors of homes sitting in the middle of junk yards, looking like crap on the outside.Beating Income tax is easy and done all over the US. One I lived in Miami I bought my home from the guy who owned the Real Estate company. I was new down there and over coffee we got to talking about high end home $1 Mi++. I nearly fell out of my chair when he told me over half of all homes sold Dade county that cost over $1M++ were all cash and he meant all greenbacks. He hated the closings. You set in a room, waiting on the Armored truck to pull up. Then the bags of $20's and $100's begin coming in in bags. Now you have a table full of greenbacks and you need to count them to cover a $3.75M buck deal.
DRUG MONEY! This goes on acorss the US and in fact our hidden, underground economy is estimated at from $500 B to $1 Trillion.
FACT we do not capture the underground income. But the states that have a VAT/sales tax do!
I disagree. I think it's more about freedom vs authoritarianism. There are plenty of people who'd love to be King and they come from all strata of politics and religion.Once again, of course it's all about attacking Christians and Conservatives via one arm of the federal government or another.
Go for it. There are TEGE and EP/EO (Employee Plan and Exempt Organizations) Revenue Agents who would love to sink their teeth into something like that.Maybe we should form a "Freedom from Public School Left-Wing Indoctrination" group and sue the IRS to remove the tax exempt status of school districts that force students to sing The Obama Song?
In a broad sense, this may be the most insightful sentence in the thread thus far.The tax code has been used to define what a church is in government terms, or basically subsume churches under its sphere of influence, talk about a violation of separation of church and state.
Huh? By whom and over what period of history?Churches were never intended to pay taxes, ...
I think I read about that in some old document no one pays attention to anymore
When have I ever tried to be brief online?Lots of details get lost trying to be brief online.
Profound truth, that is.Would be a better discussion over campfire and drinks!
In theory, yes. In practice I think we all know who will be the beneficiary of the IRS's attention.I disagree. I think it's more about freedom vs authoritarianism.
My church watches like a hawk. We just fired the Rector for spending money that was for the church and using it for his personal business. It was not much money, and my church is world wide...he is gone!It's data collection, of course, so it can be skewed to their advantage. There's simply too much money in religious organizations for them to pass up. They'll find a way into their pockets. Don't get me wrong... there are more than plenty of abuses within many churches. But the IRS is pure evil and has no place in the religious community.
I find the title appalling, too...because it's completely inaccurate. The IRS isn't "working with" atheists. They got sued by some atheists for not doing their job and they agreed to try to do better, resulting in the suit going away.What I find MOST appalling is the what the title sez: "IRS working with atheist group to monitor church sermons"
WTF WHY does and would the IRS 'work with' an atheist group.