Man Killed With His Own Gun After it Was Snatched from Holster

[Hoji]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...pc=U531&cvid=a5ada63146cb4bc0a1b3dfbcdb458a3e

Sounds like open carrier with a zero retention bag of holster.

Remember folks, there is a pretty valid reason people that open carry for a living have weapon retention training and retention holsters.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

"Robbery by sudden snatching".

 

[PDiddy]

If you keep moving, that can’t happen, or at least it becomes exponentially more difficult.

 

[MTA]

Complacency and open carrying is a terrible combination

 

[Tnhawk]

One of the reasons I prefer to not open carry.

 

[candcallen]

Here we go.

 

[General Zod]

Took seven years for the first incident to happen. That's really not a bad record.

 

[cycleguy2300]

"Robbery by sudden snatching".

I can think of worse ways to go than being killed from snatch...

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[seeker_two]

"Robbery by sudden snatching".

That pretty much describes modern dating....

 

[oohrah]

My Berretta paddle holster has a retention feature but I still carry it concealed. No point in being an object of interest.

 

[leVieux]

I can think of worse ways to go than being killed from snatch...

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Go to your room !

 

[Hoji]

Took seven years for the first incident to happen. That's really not a bad record.

Happens all the time. This one made the news because of the fatality to the gun owner.

 

[Hoji]

If you keep moving, that can’t happen, or at least it becomes exponentially more difficult.

Kind of hard to keep moving when in line at Dunkin Donuts

 

[General Zod]

Happens all the time. This one made the news because of the fatality to the gun owner.

I'd expect the nonfatal ones to make the news too, considering how it would feed the anti-gun agenda they worship.

 

[gll]

If he hadn't already, 17 yo just fucked up his own life for sure...

Edit: Well, it would seem he had already...

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[MTA]

If he hadn't already, 17 yo just fucked up his own life for sure...

Edit: Well, it would seem he had already...

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quite the rap sheet. Wonder if he knows who is father is

White supremacy strikes again

 

[glenbo]

Poor oppressed young fella was just trying to get something he could sell to help his college fund, he was on his way to be a brain sturgeon.

 

[Rhino]

Happens all the time. This one made the news because of the fatality to the gun owner.

All the time? Hyperbole much.

 

[Rhino]

From the article:

Witnesses told police that Orr saw a gun in Dykes’ waistline and grabbed it from his pants just before 9 a.m. on Friday. Dykes reportedly chased Orr outside and a struggle ensued before the teen shot and killed Dykes.

Maybe it was open carry, maybe it wasn't, but I've seen plenty of concealed fatties that probably could have this happen to them as well. It's a situational awareness deal, as well as staying healthy and agile, but the second takeaway is that he probably shouldn't have chased him down and been a bit more wary of the now-lethally armed-robber. Or carry a BUG...

 

[Glenn B]

Something I was taught years ago was why law enforcement officers were issued the level of concealable body armor that they wear. We were told that it was because many police officers back then were shot and often killed with their own sidearms. The body armor they issued us (yes my agencies, after the first one, issued us body armor) was at least potentially able to stop whatever rounds were in an officers handgun. Of course, that was also the reason we were required, on all of my jobs, to use a holster with a minimum of one active retention device as opposed to mere friction. That way it would be somewhat more difficult for a bad guy to get the LEO's sidearm and easier for the officer to retain. Another thing such a retention holster potentially would prevent was an LEO's weapon from flying out of the holster during a pursuit or other such activity and I saw that happen more than a few times in the field and at the range. The one I use now has a thumb lever (not a thumb snap) that is hidden from view unlike most thumb-break holsters. We were also advised to use quality holsters and to attach them to a strong belt by way of holster loops and not to use paddle or clip on holsters as they are all too often easily snatched away.

I also carry a back-up as often as I can, just in case. This might have been one of those times a retention holster and or a back-up firearm could have saved the victim's life. If the victim was waiting on a line to make a purchase when this occurred then situational awareness may have been pretty much useless. Sure it may have helped but that depends a lot upon the actions of the bad guy; if he was cool during such a situation he may have seemed like anyone else on the line or in other words as not being a threat. Career criminals can be quite cool and blend in until surprise - they make their move. So any edge you can give yourself, like a holster with a retention device more than mere friction and carrying concealed could be life savers. Also, not chasing after a guy who just stole your gun and then fighting with him might have prevented this - then again who among us knows how they are going to react to such a situation unless trained to do things a certain way. Also - who knows how this chase actually unfolded. It could have been the victim was fighting with the bad guy from the moemnt the bad guy grabbed the handgun and it moved outside until he was shot and not have been as it seems that the bad guy was already making his get away and was outside befoore the victim chased him. Let's face it, eye witness testimony is often the worst type of testimony.

Asfor training, even with excellent training and lots of practice under varying scenarios, you can never know for sure how you will react and then take action (as opposed to merely reacting) during such a situation. You may think you know right now but thinking is not knowing with certainty. Training though kicks in under such conditions in the great majority of cases, at least if you were well trained and practiced what you were taught over and over again to be prepared so you are well advised to get at least some confrontational type training including firearms retention and firearms takeaway techniques.

Hopefully, if they got the right guy, the maggot will be convicted and get the death penalty.

RIP Brian Dykes