More confirmation: Police have no obligation to protect the public...

[General Zod]

At least in NYC, anyway. Wait, wasn't the justification for civilian disarmament the claim that the police are there to protect the civilians?

Judge rejects claim by psycho-stopping hero against cops who didn’t help - NYPOST.com

 

[GaryH]

Were these cops cowards?

 

[txinvestigator]

The premise is sound, and the judge's decision correct. The supreme court has ruled on this as well.

 

[txinvestigator]

Were these cops cowards?

Maybe, maybe not. Do you have any facts?

 

[itchin]

They should have shot the cocksucker immediately. If anything they should be fired for being cowards.

 

[M. Sage]

The premise is sound, and the judge's decision correct. The supreme court has ruled on this as well.

At least a couple times I know of. Police have no legal obligation to protect anybody.

Also, this guy's background bolsters my argument against knife disarms. Get within arm's reach of someone with a knife? You gonna bleed!!

 

[itchin]

Right but during a killing spree and they are there while a guy cuts people up with knives. I agree no lawsuit but should be fired.

 

[txinvestigator]

They should have shot the cocksucker immediately. If anything they should be fired for being cowards.

Other than a quote from the person suing for money, what facts do you have to support that statement?

 

[itchin]

The article stated the police cowered in the trains operators compartment while an unarmed civilian fought with the attacker trying to end the killing spree. They should have been fired immediately.

 

[General Zod]

The premise is sound, and the judge's decision correct. The supreme court has ruled on this as well.

I'm aware that the Supreme Court has ruled on this as well. That decision defies credulity. This expands on it, though - apparently, the police also have no obligation to stop a crime in progress?

So what, exactly, is the point of having a police force then?

 

[txinvestigator]

The article stated the police cowered in the trains operators compartment while an unarmed civilian fought with the attacker trying to end the killing spree. They should have been fired immediately.

No, the article said the man suing for many claimed the police hid. A man who describes himself as a martial arts enthusiast. Other than the claims of a man who fancies himself a martial arts hero, there is no evidence in that article that the cops hid. I am not claiming they did or didn't, I am saying you are claiming facts you simply do not know.

 

[txinvestigator]

I'm aware that the Supreme Court has ruled on this as well. That decision defies credulity. This expands on it, though - apparently, the police also have no obligation to stop a crime in progress?

So what, exactly, is the point of having a police force then?

Unless the law requires action, then they do not have an obligation. I understand your second question is rhetorical.

 

[subseashooter]

I'm aware that the Supreme Court has ruled on this as well. That decision defies credulity. This expands on it, though - apparently, the police also have no obligation to stop a crime in progress?

So what, exactly, is the point of having a police force then?

Amen.

*Bows to Zod*

 

[M. Sage]

No, the article said the man suing for many claimed the police hid. A man who describes himself as a martial arts enthusiast. Other than the claims of a man who fancies himself a martial arts hero, there is no evidence in that article that the cops hid. I am not claiming they did or didn't, I am saying you are claiming facts you simply do not know.

Martial artist or not, you get within arm's reach of someone that's got a knife who wants to cut you, you're getting cut. Knives are a bitch. Rather be nose to nose with someone that's got a gun than someone with a knife...

And yes I agree; the decision is correct.

 

[txinvestigator]

Martial artist or not, you get within arm's reach of someone that's got a knife who wants to cut you, you're getting cut. Knives are a bitch. Rather be nose to nose with someone that's got a gun than someone with a knife...

And yes I agree; the decision is correct.

I agree with you about getting cut.

My point is itchin is taking the word of a man that is suing for money and fancies himself a martial artist, based on one sentence in a news article, that the cops did nothing and in fact hid. Perhaps they did. Maybe the story is completely inaccurate. We just do not know, and no judgment can be made based on the information at hand.

 

[General Zod]

Unless the law requires action, then they do not have an obligation. I understand your second question is rhetorical.

You understand incorrectly. If protecting the public from criminals is not in the job description, and neither is stopping a crime in progress, then what is the purpose of a police force? Traffic enforcement? Investigation in the aftermath of a crime? Police work is starting to sound downright cushy by these definitions.

 

[M. Sage]

I agree with you about getting cut.

My point is itchin is taking the word of a man that is suing for money and fancies himself a martial artist, based on one sentence in a news article, that the cops did nothing and in fact hid. Perhaps they did. Maybe the story is completely inaccurate. We just do not know, and no judgment can be made based on the information at hand.

I'm with you. Even if they did hide, they aren't obligated under any legal measure.

Your safety is your responsibility.

 

[GaryH]

Maybe, maybe not. Do you have any facts?

I asked a question based on this statement in the article..... "Lozito, 42, a martial-arts enthusiast, claimed cops hid in the motorman’s cab while he disarmed Gelman as the madman slashed at his face, hands, neck and head."

 

[GaryH]

So what, exactly, is the point of having a police force then?

Somebody has to draw the white outline and do the paperwork.

 

[GaryH]

All we have to go on here is this short article about a man trying to sue the city. We sure don't have to take the word of someone that risked his life to save others. However, I'm not going to suggest that he is a liar just like I'm not going to suggest all cops are cowards.