My Governor

[Texan79423]

Governor Abbott and University of Texas president used Texas DPS to displace war protesters on UT campus. Wonder how the City of Austin reacted

 

[Chirpy]

APD actually did send some officers. DPS is getting all the press.

This is more pathetic though, Travis County DA Delia Garza playing the usual games...

57 People Arrested at Peaceful UT Protest, 46 Cases Declined So Far

 

[Armybrat]

The reaction of the administration & governor was an unfortunate overreach.
The campus is a free speech venue as defined by State law, and apparently the pro-Palestinian protesters didn’t violate it.
Last I heard we do have a 1st Amendment.
This wasn’t anything like what was going on at Columbia U. in NYC.

 

[popper]

Sorry Armybrat. 1st doesn't apply to PRIVATE property! Nor to State property when state says NO. SCOTUS really screwed up when they said it was OK to burn/wear American flags. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Armybrat]

Look again, the State says all spaces of our universities are free speech venues for students and non-students.

Governor Abbott signs bill to protect First Amendment rights

Texas Governor Greg Abbott posted a video on Sunday of him signing Senate Bill 18, which protects First Amendment rights.

www.kvue.com

 

[Texan79423]

You were warned and you did not heed the warning and were arrested. Well Boo Hoo. Again, people without enforcement of the law there is no law.

 

[Armybrat]

First of all, let me say I am very much aware that Hamas is a nasty terrorist organization that needs to be eradicated wherever they are.
I am not sympathetic to the Palestinians who put them in charge and supported their October 7th massacre.
I support the Israelis responding by killing all the Hamas they can find anywhere, and that the survivors should be prosecuted for murdering innocent Jewish men, women, children, & infants.
I think, however, that more consideration should be made to prevent the collateral killing of civilians in Gaza, particularly children in the current military operations and to help provide humanitarian aid to the starving & injured.

As far as the UT demonstrators, were they violating the 2019 free speech law that Abbott signed?
It does not appear so, and there was no violence perpetrated by the demonstrators according to the videos shown so far and a good source I know who was an observer on campus.
I do not believe this protest was designed in any way to disrupt the campus and its educational mission as we have seen in other situations.
But I would like to see some definitive proof these people were breaking the law.
Undoubtedly there were pro-Hamas ilk in the crowd, but I haven’t seen any evidence they were openly advocating anti-Israel violence.

It is a slippery slope when overreacting against something that has not happened - as that appears what occurred on the UT campus.

Campuses across Texas had pro-Palestinian demonstrations. Why did only UT-Austin crack down?

Dozens of people were arrested in Austin, while sit ins and demonstrations elsewhere happened mostly unobstructed. School officials say it’s because campus rules were broken.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Steve In Texas]

Hamas supporters are the entire camel into the tent of civilized discourse.

 

[Armybrat]

Hamas supporters are the entire camel into the tent of civilized discourse.

Yes they are, and undoubtedly they have sleeper cells in this country along with plenty of Taliban, IS, and Russians.
Not to mention Xi’s spies.

 

[EZ-E]

Who says they are citizens & have 1st ammendment rights. If you were here on a student visa & over stayed your visa, you are here illegally & don't have US citizen rights.

 

[Armybrat]

I never mentioned anything about citizenship or illegals.
That is a different topic, but yeah, deport the illegals who are causing a problem by participating in these protests.

 

[popper]

'As far as the UT demonstrators, were they violating the 2019 free speech law that Abbott signed?
It does not appear so, and there was no violence perpetrated by the demonstrators according to the videos shown so far and a good source I know who was an observer on campus.'
They were asked to leave as they either had no permit or it was denied. All these 'protests' are during final weeks so don't say that education wasn't disturbed. DA there is a jerk and PD chief there is (worthless) from Dallas. It is Austin. Anyway, when my GS comes back I'll ask how it went. Appears there are several on this board that appear to promote anarchy (no real such thing, just dictatorship) without realizing it. Want to a modern anarchy? Look a Haiti news. Course it's been that way there since they kicked the French guy out.

 

[Armybrat]

We all know DA Garza is a jerk and has violated his oath of office.
But are you actually implying that I am unknowingly promoting anarchy ?

 

[seeker_two]

Are we talking about true anarchy (no established government at all) or the pseudo-anarchy that the pro-totalitarian communists support?.....

.....because I do see advantages to the traditional definition.

 

[D0ntTr3@d0nM3]

From what I understand they were violating UT Austins Campus rules. They were not peacefully protesting. The few videos I watched were very shows marches with megaphones and lots of yelling, screaming and chanting. UT Austin said they have a long standing repuatation of supporting students rights to protest but not at the expense to where it disrupts learning and everything else. Even if no one was being violent or using violent language towards people there, all that yelling and screaming over a megaphone would certainly disrupt the campus and learning all by itself. Especially when a lot of teachers were cancelling their classes in support of it. Idk. I think some people abuse right to free speech.

If they are shouting support for support of Hamas and are occupying a part of the UT Austin property in the name of Hamas isn't that the same as supporting a terrorist organization? Or even in the name of Palestine, and under the flag of Palestine isn't that considered a no-go on sovereign US soil?

 

[studenygreg]

From what I understand they were violating UT Austins Campus rules. They were not peacefully protesting. The few videos I watched were very shows marches with megaphones and lots of yelling, screaming and chanting. UT Austin said they have a long standing repuatation of supporting students rights to protest but not at the expense to where it disrupts learning and everything else. Even if no one was being violent or using violent language towards people there, all that yelling and screaming over a megaphone would certainly disrupt the campus and learning all by itself. Especially when a lot of teachers were cancelling their classes in support of it. Idk. I think some people abuse right to free speech.

If they are shouting support for support of Hamas and are occupying a part of the UT Austin property in the name of Hamas isn't that the same as supporting a terrorist organization? Or even in the name of Palestine, and under the flag of Palestine isn't that considered a no-go on sovereign US soil?

Yelling, chanting, and megaphone are peaceful unless you're a pansy.

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[Otto_Mation]

The problem is the Soros funded professional agitators. These are the very same agitators that stirred the pot during the BLM and Antifa riots and they are organizing these protests. I saw a clip of some of the students being interviewed and they did not even understand what they were protesting.

Anti-Israel protesters at NYU admit they have no idea what they’re protesting: ‘I wish I was more educated’

The clueless Columbia students had rushed downtown to join an encampment at New York University: “Why are we protesting, here at NYU specifically?”

nypost.com

 

[easy rider]

The reaction of the administration & governor was an unfortunate overreach.
The campus is a free speech venue as defined by State law, and apparently the pro-Palestinian protesters didn’t violate it.
Last I heard we do have a 1st Amendment.
This wasn’t anything like what was going on at Columbia U. in NYC.

Free speech is fine if staged within the rules and regulations of the institution. Disruption of classes for as little as noise can be grounds for removal. If you don't leave when requested, then arrest for trespassing can be enforced. Since UT is a public research institute it is within the state's control.

 

[Steve In Texas]

Were it is an organic local protest I'd err on the side of letting them protest a bit more. Protests that are part of profesional coordinated, and planned agitation, I gotta side with erring toward curtailment prior to asymptomatic insanity.

 

[D0ntTr3@d0nM3]

Yelling, chanting, and megaphone are peaceful unless you're a pansy.

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I didn’t mean peaceful as in the opposite of violent I meant non peaceful in a way that would disrupt other student's or interrupt their learning which would be breaking the rules of UT Austin.