NATO members not paying their share

[WT_Foxtrot]

Sometimes words matter.

He possesses the intelligence to have made his point clearly. And then those opposed to him could not have used his words against him.

Sorry, no excuse. Just more of the loose cannon mouth.

Ridiculous point. Many that are opposed to him are the neocons opposed because of the very point he was making.....we're sick and fucking tired of being the world's police and savior and defending anybody and everybody, some who despise us, mostly on our dime and the cost of the lives of our servicemen. Be a member and pony up or potentially suffer the consequences. It's their damn countries after all. Don't tell me you didn't get that.

Not to mention we've got our own problems, including $30T+ of debt, a shitty economy, and a wide-open border.

You should vie for a guest spot on MSNBC......you sound just like them and would be a shoe-in.

 

[seeker_two]

Maybe we need to put liens on the countries that still owe dues. Instead of being the world's police, we can be the world's HOA....

 

[Johnny Diamond]

Damn straight

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[oldag]

You talk almost daily about Trump having a “loose cannon mouth”. I haven’t seen you say that about any other politicians.

Nobody else is even in the same class.

 

[oldag]

Ridiculous point. Many that are opposed to him are the neocons opposed because of the very point he was making.....we're sick and fucking tired of being the world's police and savior and defending anybody and everybody, some who despise us, mostly on our dime and the cost of the lives of our servicemen. Be a member and pony up or potentially suffer the consequences. It's their damn countries after all. Don't tell me you didn't get that.

Not to mention we've got our own problems, including $30T+ of debt, a shitty economy, and a wide-open border.

You should vie for a guest spot on MSNBC......you sound just like them and would be a shoe-in.

Why? Because I am not afraid to point out Trump's weaknesses, rather than just say everything he does is wonderful?

Don't think there are too many 1A and 2A advocates on MSNBC. Your stupid statement is representative of exactly what is wrong with our country.

 

[WT_Foxtrot]

Why? Because I am not afraid to point out Trump's weaknesses, rather than just say everything he does is wonderful?

Don't think there are too many 1A and 2A advocates on MSNBC. Your stupid statement is representative of exactly what is wrong with our country.

There are PLENTY of the RINO never-Trumper crowd on MSNBC, CNN, the whole lot of them. Just look at all the Lincoln Project dickheads. I don't think folks like Bill Kristol or Romney and their ilk would say they're anti speech or 2nd Amendment. But holy shit, do they hate Trump.

Nah, it's your globalist attitude that's been pervasive through the GOP for the last 30+ years that's the problem. Your problem is you look at telling other countries who we've bailed out for decades that they finally need to fucking step up or possibly suffer the consequences because we're done footing the fucking bill for them is a weakness. I don't. Should have happened years ago.

And before you get on your proverbial high horse and call me a worshipper or whatever dumbass phrase you're using this week, I get that he has faults and weaknesses. Humans do. But the good far fucking outweighs the bad and in the end, I don't really give a shit how he conveys things. It's the policies that matter.

 

[oldag]

There are PLENTY of the RINO never-Trumper crowd on MSNBC, CNN, the whole lot of them. Just look at all the Lincoln Project dickheads. I don't think folks like Bill Kristol or Romney and their ilk would say they're anti speech or 2nd Amendment. But holy shit, do they hate Trump.

Nah, it's your globalist attitude that's been pervasive through the GOP for the last 30+ years that's the problem. Your problem is you look at telling other countries who we've bailed out for decades that they finally need to fucking step up or possibly suffer the consequences because we're done footing the fucking bill for them is a weakness. I don't. Should have happened years ago.

And before you get on your proverbial high horse and call me a worshipper or whatever dumbass phrase you're using this week, I get that he has faults and weaknesses. Humans do. But the good far fucking outweighs the bad and in the end, I don't really give a shit how he conveys things. It's the policies that matter.

I never once said we should not pressure NATO to step up. Quite the opposite. I said Trump did not help matters with the way he shot his mouth off. Telling NATO allies "In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want" is not productive. He could have gotten the message across in a much better way. Start reading more closely.

Your isolationist attitude got almost a half million American soldiers killed (not to mention millions of people from other nations) in WW2.

 

[DoubleDuty]

DJT was the one that called them on it. Same thing with the UN. Our country sucks at holding these countries responsible. We have to borrow or print money to give to a lot of them. Not to mention how much was spent rebuilding them after the 2nd WW.

 

[WT_Foxtrot]

I never once said we should not pressure NATO to step up. Quite the opposite. I said Trump did not help matters with the way he shot his mouth off. Telling NATO allies "In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want" is not productive. He could have gotten the message across in a much better way. Start reading more closely.

Your isolationist attitude got almost a half million American soldiers killed (not to mention millions of people from other nations) in WW2.

Dude.....hate to break it to you, but WWII was decades before I was even on the planet. So my attitude hadn't a fucking thing to do with it. Good grief.

And before you cast your generalization net as you're apt to do, every situation is different, and WWII certainly was. But nothing like it has happened since unless you count the NVA or Saddam as a big of a threat as the 1940s Axis. So stop moving the fucking goalposts. That's what losers do.

And as I said, I get Trump has faults and could convey some things better. However, I'll take the way he conveys things over a dipshit globalist like GWB, Romney, the Lincoln Project pals of yours or anyone else of that ilk.

Your "gotcha" posts about Trump are idiotic and tiresome.....not to mention telling.

 

[Havok1]

Nobody else is even in the same class.

You’re right. So many others would have just offered up the lives of our sons and daughters and billions of tax payer dollars. But I guess that’s ok as long as they say it using words you approve of…

 

[cycleguy2300]

I never once said we should not pressure NATO to step up. Quite the opposite. I said Trump did not help matters with the way he shot his mouth off. Telling NATO allies "In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want" is not productive. He could have gotten the message across in a much better way. Start reading more closely.

Your isolationist attitude got almost a half million American soldiers killed (not to mention millions of people from other nations) in WW2.

I mostly agree.

I don't mind his directness, but I can be fairly direct much of the time. I think he might could say some things more gently, at least the first time.

HOWEVER, I would prefer a brusk, direct loud "You have to pay if you want to be part of the NATO club" to limp, mealy-mouthed "we are sure they'll begin paying soon" that the last few decades have tried.

Many times someone's greatest strength can be their greatest weakness. (However I emphasize the "can" because most of the time I think Trump is warrented in his directness)

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[DoubleDuty]

Here is a post made on Quora that explains why we voted for DJT. It's an excellent post

https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-ab...7&share=421828d1&srid=WJEg&target_type=answer

 

[Havok1]

Here is a post made on Quora that explains why we voted for DJT. It's an excellent post

https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-ab...7&share=421828d1&srid=WJEg&target_type=answer

Link doesn’t work.

 

[oldag]

Dude.....hate to break it to you, but WWII was decades before I was even on the planet. So my attitude hadn't a fucking thing to do with it. Good grief.

And before you cast your generalization net as you're apt to do, every situation is different, and WWII certainly was. But nothing like it has happened since unless you count the NVA or Saddam as a big of a threat as the 1940s Axis. So stop moving the fucking goalposts. That's what losers do.

And as I said, I get Trump has faults and could convey some things better. However, I'll take the way he conveys things over a dipshit globalist like GWB, Romney, the Lincoln Project pals of yours or anyone else of that ilk.

Your "gotcha" posts about Trump are idiotic and tiresome.....not to mention telling.

The isolationist attitude did not begin when you were born.

Have a good day.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Link doesn’t work.

Yep, the link I posted in Trump can F himself works this one doesnt

 

[WT_Foxtrot]

The isolationist attitude did not begin when you were born.

Have a good day.

Of course, isolationism has been a theory since the dawn of time. You said "your," which is what I take issue with.

You broadbrush every situation as the same when they're clearly different just as all globalists do. WWII was far different than Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and even Afghanistan past chasing Al Queda, no? None of those shitholes were going to take over the world or even a continent nor were even a remote threat to the US. And the idiotic "let's send our boys over there to kill them before they kill us here" rhetoric served nothing but spending trillions and getting American soldiers killed for nothing.....absolutely nothing from where I look.

As stated, it's about time we have the countries most affected step up and handle their part and not rely on us, again, $30T large in debt, to defend them. And it's more than ironic that I read a few days ago that all of a sudden, Germany's stepping up their commitment to NATO after Trump's comments. And Trump ain't even in fucking office.

Defend the homeland.....and do so mercilessly and with 100% dedication. But go abroad as a last resort and not as a way to flex your muscles and reward the MIC. We're not the world's police and it's time we recognize it.

 

[oldag]

Of course, isolationism has been a theory since the dawn of time. You said "your," which is what I take issue with.

You broadbrush every situation as the same when they're clearly different just as all globalists do. WWII was far different than Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and even Afghanistan past chasing Al Queda, no? None of those shitholes were going to take over the world or even a continent nor were even a remote threat to the US. And the idiotic "let's send our boys over there to kill them before they kill us here" rhetoric served nothing but spending trillions and getting American soldiers killed for nothing.....absolutely nothing from where I look.

As stated, it's about time we have the countries most affected step up and handle their part and not rely on us, again, $30T large in debt, to defend them. And it's more than ironic that I read a few days ago that all of a sudden, Germany's stepping up their commitment to NATO after Trump's comments. And Trump ain't even in fucking office.

Defend the homeland.....and do so mercilessly and with 100% dedication. But go abroad as a last resort and not as a way to flex your muscles and reward the MIC. We're not the world's police and it's time we recognize it.

Isolationism is not theory, it has been played out in practice.

Germany is stepping up not because of Trump's comments, but because no more aid has made it out of Congress.

Your last paragraph sounds good on the surface, but that is exactly the isolationist attitude that led to WW2. Sometimes we do need to be active in the world. Not for every little thing, I certainly agree. But we need to recognize the dictators who will push until stopped (Putin now, Xi getting started). We need to recognize the fanatical Islamist regimes that want to destroy everyone else (Iran). And admit that force is the only thing that will stop them.

We ignored Al Qaeda and what was the result?

With power comes responsibility.

 

[Ausländer]

We ignored Al Qaeda and what was the result?

Actually, we trained, gave funds and weapons to bin Laden (may he rot in hell while being raped by goats) when he was fighting the Russians all while knowing he was going to turn on us as soon as he could.

We did the same thing with Russia during WWII. Paton said that we should have taken them out while we had the men and equipment already there, but we didn't - all while knowing they would turn on us.

Germany is "spending" money because they thought that when they forced us to close our bases that we'd either establish new one in Poland, Czech, etc or just keep dumping greenbacks into their failing economy to keep them propped up. They've gone the political route, 'raised' taxes, and are putting a small amount of money to their military which probably won't be anywhere near enough to get them out of the hole they've dug. They have (for too long) been dependent on the American cannon fodder that was stationed there during the cold war whose only purpose was to slow down (not stop) the Russian Bear. I say that having lived and served there in the 80s/90s and having family (German) still there.

We can't be complete isolationists, but we've created a welfare world where all these countries sit on their asses spending monies on <insert BS> while thinking that if they get into trouble, USA will send them pallets of cash or use our lives to rescue them again....

You don't feed wild animals because they forget how to take care of themselves, the same is true of people and countries. We don't "owe" them anything - but they think we do.

 

[Havok1]

We ignored Al Qaeda and what was the result?

A swing and a miss! Al Qaeda was the result of us getting involved in something we shouldn’t have.

 

[oldag]

A swing and a miss! Al Qaeda was the result of us getting involved in something we shouldn’t have.

Regardless of your point, we failed to respond the threat that was very real.

Reality wins.