Navy Seal Charged with war crimes

[dmancornell]

We fight the enemy to kill them.
If they are dead, they cant hurt us anymore.

LOL. Executing unarmed prisoners is considered fighting now?

Is al Qaeda a friend or enemy now? It's hard to tell with all the CIA, Pentagon and the State Department supporting their own factions in Syria.

 

[Renegade]

Tough to call, since these days you cannot believe anything the .gov or media says.

 

[satx78247]

Tough to call, since these days you cannot believe anything the .gov or media says.

Renegade,

I love my USA but despise the CORRUPT government & the vast majority of "public servants".
(I can count on two hands the number of "public employees" of any sort that I trust & 6 of those are people that I went to school from K-12 with, about 50 years ago.)

yours, satx

 

[vmax]

LOL. Executing unarmed prisoners is considered fighting now?

Is al Qaeda a friend or enemy now? It's hard to tell with all the CIA, Pentagon and the State Department supporting their own factions in Syria.

LOL


LOL...duh...LOL..duh..LOL...

I was making a blanket statement about why we go to battle in the first place.
Why does any country fight a war?
The purpose of war is to kill your enemy....or kill enough of them and impose your will onto them.

So you can take those words and misuse them all you want to..

Turtles and lumberjacks

 

[dmancornell]

LOL


LOL...duh...LOL..duh..LOL...

I was making a blanket statement about why we go to battle in the first place.
Why does any country fight a war?
The purpose of war is to kill your enemy....or kill enough of them and impose your will onto them.

So you can take those words and misuse them all you want to..

Turtles and lumberjacks

LOL. So you're just posting blanket statements without trying to make a point with regards to this SEAL accused of war crimes? Sure. Check your own posts.

 

[vmax]

LOL. So you're just posting blanket statements without trying to make a point with regards to this SEAL accused of war crimes? Sure. Check your own posts.

Yes Lt Peckerhead..that is correct
I was replying after someone quoted younggun's post about morality and fighting...
I wanted to make my thoughts clear on why counties go to war.
Apparently you dont agree and I'm okay with that.
I think me and you wouldn't hang out if we knew each other ...and I'm really okay with that too.

 

[dmancornell]

Yes Lt Peckerhead..that is correct
I was replying after someone quoted younggun's post about morality and fighting...
I wanted to make my thoughts clear on why counties go to war.
Apparently you dont agree and I'm okay with that.
I think me and you wouldn't hang out if we knew each other ...and I'm really okay with that too.

Haha, so your post in response to a morality question is a non sequitur that has zero moral context. Good one.

"In war you kill people"

Such insight. So deep.

 

[gshayd]

Read where Trump ordered that he be given less restrictive confinement.

 

[majormadmax]

A lot of opinions on how to fight wars from those who never served in uniform...

 

[majormadmax]

I wasn’t going to bring John into this, but I’m still pissed that 6 left him on top or Robert’s Ridge.

Under the circumstances it's understandable how they thought he was dead therefore didn't make an effort to rescue him, but what really disgusted me is how some of the Navy's most elite warriors deliberately tried to sabotage Chapman's MoH because it made them look bad.

Whether Slabinski made the right call to leave Chapman can be debated until the end of time, but they were getting their asses shot off and needed to get the hell out of Dodge.

But Slabinski's accusation that the Air Force's only motivation was to get the service's first Medal of Honor since the Vietnam War was uncalled for especially considering all the evidence--AC-130 and Predator video, as well as autopsy results--that showed Chapman had most certainly been alive and continued fighting after the SEALS departed.

Slabinski goes on to claim that Chapman would never have used his weapon on full automatic instead of single shots. Given the overwhelming opposition Chapman faced, it's easily feasible he would have resorted to that.

There have been several questionable incidents involving SEALS over the past ten years in Afghanistan, Iraq and other places (most notably the alleged murder of a US Army Green Beret in Mali). The military is about discipline, and such expectations never reach a higher level than they do in the SOF community.

Gallagher is facing far too many accusations against him to simply dismiss them as disgruntled subordinates. If even only one of them is true, then he has violated his sworn oath and failed his brothers in arms, and should be held fully accountable for his actions.

 

[vmax]

A lot of opinions on how to fight wars from those who never served in uniform...

Exactly what I was thinking too.

 

[satx78247]

majormadmax; vmax,

That makes 3 of us EOFs.

yours, satx

 

[Frank59]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-sea...y-happy-to-be-out-of-brig-california-rep-says

 

[deemus]

So, the military has a bunch of child molesters? Thats what stood out in that article. And his wife is cute.

 

[phoenix]

I am sure isis treats our guys with the laws of war.

 

[majormadmax]

I am sure isis treats our guys with the laws of war.

Are we ISIS?

No.

So we should ignore the fact that we signed and ratified the four Conventions of 1949 and Protocol III of 2005 of the Geneva Convention, and signed the two Protocols of 1977? Those treaties that establish the standards of international law for humanitarian treatment in war?

Again, no.

Doing so would pretty much negate everything this country has stood and fought for during its history.

As a nation, we are better than that...

 

[toddnjoyce]

So, the military has a bunch of child molesters? Thats what stood out in that article. And his wife is cute.

No. We just do a better job at sending them to make small rocks out of big ones.

I ‘inherited’ a 22-yr old Airmen whose was confined at Mannheim for something like 2 years for sleeping with a 14 year old.

https://www.stripes.com/news/aviano-airman-gets-prison-for-sex-crimes-1.72683

One of my peers in the squadron at the time that occurred eventually got hooked up for six years by the State of Alaska for child porn. Our wives were close; our kids baby sat their kids. I’m deployed to AFG in 12-13, and his story is on the front page of AF Times. The next time my wife and I called, she said Misty (soon to the the ex) felt he had a porn problem, but there was nothing in the terabytes of pics that pointed to him taking the photos, just collected them.

https://www.adn.com/crime-justice/a...-three-years-child-porn-posession/2015/01/03/

That was a tough conversation to have with our kids, who were then I’m their freshman year of college.

 

[deemus]

My comment was sarcasm. The attorney from the article seemed to infer that, which I thought was ridiculous.

"OMG, get this outstanding guy away from the sex offenders!"


EDIT - perspective

My experience is that most of the military people I have known were good folks. I know there are exceptions, but felt the attorney was overstating the "danger" his client was in.

FTR, I HATE the over exaggerations and constant outrage about pretty much everything these days. Its got to reverse itself. IMO we can't survive as people being constantly offended by whatever the wind has blown in that particular day.

 

[majormadmax]

My experience is that most of the military people I have known were good folks. I know there are exceptions, but felt the attorney was overstating the "danger" his client was in.

FTR, I HATE the over exaggerations and constant outrage about pretty much everything these days. Its got to reverse itself. IMO we can't survive as people being constantly offended by whatever the wind has blown in that particular day.

Sadly, I too had several instance during my career where we had to deal with child molesters; to include an E-9 at Fort Meade when I was an exec and someone who I had worked with when I was a commander. As toddnjoyce said, we do a pretty good job of send them away; but having to deal with such situations is tough as you have to put your emotions in check and handle it professionally. Luckily during the second instance I had a great first sergeant that helped keep me balanced during the ordeal. We had long talks late in the day so I could "express" my true feelings about the offender in private. That helped me keep my "game face" when dealing with him and his family (who I still have great respect for to this day, his wife was one of the bravest and strongest women I have ever met!).

As for Gallagher, the claims he was denied medical, access to his lawyers and his family sound like bullshit to me. I have visited several detention facilities during my career (luckily only as a true visitor) and every one was run strictly by the book.

I am also disappointed that political opinion overrode the judgment of his command. I doubt Trump is as familiar with the true facts of the case as those who investigated and reported it to Gallagher's commander.

Yes, the military has made mistakes in the past and will do so again in the future; but with such serious charges I will fall back on my 25 years of experience in uniform and presume that if the claims that this is just the allegations of a few disgruntled individuals were true, that would have been evident. He will have his day in court, and a panel will judge the facts and determine his fate. I have full faith in the military justice system, and would rather face charges at a court martial than a civilian criminal court!

 

[popper]

As for Mil intel, I went to school with a guy way up in intel, he was 'right' no matter what. Obama put lots of lawyers in the field to make sure we 'played' the game right. Bad guys don't wear back hats. So what do you do when the bad guy just killed a bunch and then throws his gun down and surrenders? These guys are not a badged army. Is an insurgent really a POW?
One of the supposed advantages of the 223 is it wounds a lot and then troops have to take care of wounded, really changes the 'mission'.