You're pretty naïve or cynical to think not many innocent people get indicted but that's not the debate I'm trying to have. I'm wholeheartedly disagreeing with the idea that majority rule is OK on a Jury.M&P9 Rich, I really doubt there is that many innocent people getting indicted. Sure, there are cases like Michael Morton, who was unjustly sent to prison for the murder of his wife. But I think most in the prison system are exactly where they belong. Of course if you asked ANY prisoner in TDC, they will readily tell you that they were framed, and are innocent as a new born babe!
The bill of rights is protection from government, both federal and state, not private businesses and property. A business may be open to public, but they make the policy of that business and what qualifies to enter.
I don't like that the government makes laws that basically takes away ones privilege of setting policy on private property, therefore I can't say there should be a law that allows me to do what I want no matter my belief.
The second amendment allows me to bear arms on public land and my own private property (with exceptions), not others private property.
Just because we have bad laws shouldn't mean we should create more, then where does it end?Please show me where in the U.S. Constitution this limitation is carved out. Is it the same place that grants the right only to hunters, or that provides for the limit on magazines?
Yes a property owner should be able to reject anyone for any reason, thus the trespass laws.
But, the legislature has gone too far in its infringement on our right by creating a law that requires a visitor to “self police” on something the property owner cannot or chooses not to monitor (as in a metal detector than insures that NO one is carrying) or be in violation of a law (created by the very government you have referred to).
True, unfortunately it's up to us to keep our politicians in check.Well, isn't that what the so-called "lawmakers" try to do every time there is a mass shooting? Try to pass MORE bad laws? Instead of enforcing laws ALREADY on the books?
Just because we have bad laws shouldn't mean we should create more, then where does it end?
A proprietor that allows unfettered access to his property may in fact ask anyone to leave and that disinvited person must leave. I never said anything about anybody going anywhere they wanted. Read it before you get mad and beat up your keyboard.Are you asserting that an individual has the right to enter anywhere they please, but they can't stay indefinitely?
Or are you saying that a property owner has no right to prevent entry, but they l can only kick someone out if they're not there for legitimate business?
If so, I disagree.
Does any of those have to do with bringing anything into a place of business? You can't legally keep slaves at home and you don't need a sign to keep people from carrying a handgun on your home property.Can I put up a sign at my place of business that suspends peoples 8A rights? If I catch you breaking the law, you can count on cruel and unusual punishment.
How about a sign abolishing 13A rights, allowing me to keep slave labor?
Can I hang a sign suspending the 16A, so I don’t need to pay federal taxes on what I make?
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You're absolutely right, you didn't say that.A proprietor that allows unfettered access to his property may in fact ask anyone to leave and that disinvited person must leave. I never said anything about anybody going anywhere they wanted. Read it before you get mad and beat up your keyboard.
If you want the public on your property or in your business and you restrict their Constitutional rights in favor of your private property rights then you should be responsible for damage YOU engendered by allowing people there and restriscting their rights. You can be a puplic place or a private one but when you set conditions you should be held liable for the damage you allow.
I fail to understand why running a business makes one think they are the more equal pigs on the farm
My point remains. 30.06 and 30.07 ARE government infringements on a right. Not the individual property owner. He can do whatever he wants to keep you off of his property, for any reason, with just the trespass laws.