Not political... Its not that simple.

[Kimber_me_timbers]

• (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
  

• • (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

I saw that too... Curious... What would Rand Pauls motivation be to shoot this down? Im lost

 

[hkusp1]

^^ so does that mean they can or can't arrest us citizens for whatever the hell they want?

 

[Bithabus]

^^ so does that mean they can or can't arrest us citizens for whatever the hell they want?

Citizens have due process protection.

 

[Kimber_me_timbers]

What were they talking about when they mentioned army personnel being placed in civilian police departments and all that jazz? Is this just another case of fearmongering, or has the wrong bill been quoted here?

 

[smtimelevi]

What were they talking about when they mentioned army personnel being placed in civilian police departments and all that jazz? Is this just another case of fearmongering, or has the wrong bill been quoted here?

Also saying people with multiple firearms or more than 7 day's worth of food could be considered terrorists. That would be half to three quarters of the country.
I want to know because this bill had me worried but now maybe Rand Paul has me worried...

 

[Bithabus]

The bill is huge. It's the defense spending bill for 2012. Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

 

[Bithabus]

What were they talking about when they mentioned army personnel being placed in civilian police departments and all that jazz? Is this just another case of fearmongering, or has the wrong bill been quoted here?

This?

SEC. 1014. EXTENSION OF AUTHORITY FOR JOINT TASK FORCES TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES CONDUCTING COUNTER-TERRORISM ACTIVITIES.

• (a) Extension- Section 1022(b) of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 (10 U.S.C. 371 note) is amended by striking `2011' and inserting `2012'.

• (b) Limitation on Exercise of Authority- The authority in section 1022 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004, as amended by subsection (a), may not be exercised after September 30, 2011, unless the Secretary of Defense certifies to Congress, in writing, that the Department of Defense is in compliance with the provisions of paragraph (2) of subsection (d) of such section, as added by section 1012(b) of the Ike Skelton National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2011 (Public Law 111-383; 124 Stat. 4346).

 

[smtimelevi]

Here's the scary part:

(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

 

[Bithabus]

Here's the scary part:

(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

That only applies to Al Qaeda members who are not US citizens

 

[Younggun]

Isn't that the waiver that Obama claimed he would veto the bill if he was not also given power over it, also I saw the term enemy combatant, if obama were to classify an american citizen as an enemy combatant it seems that they could do as they please. If someone has further info on this I would appreciate it, as I see it, grey area is just as bad because it leaves the door open to do as they please and defend it later if need be.

 

[Bithabus]

I think some people are blowing this out of proportion. And it hasn't even passed the House yet.

 

[smtimelevi]

It doesn't sound as bad as I thought. AS I read it it's not half as bad as the patriot act, unless you're not a US Citizen.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

<Sigh>

Same shiznit, different day.

Bunch of freakin' clowns. We should make 'em dress up like bozo and wear those red noses when they speak in the House and Senate chambers.

 

[smtimelevi]

 

[Texan2]

What were they talking about when they mentioned army personnel being placed in civilian police departments and all that jazz? Is this just another case of fearmongering, or has the wrong bill been quoted here?

It would appear so.

 

[jedwil]

A perspective worth reading

The Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to American Citizens on U.S. Soil - Washington's Blog

 

[RetArmySgt]

Or this part.

• (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

Doesnt that basic nullify the purpose of this bill? Wasnt it to extend Law of War to those that were captured here, it already applied to those taken outside the US.

 

[Texan2]

Or this part.

• (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

Doesnt that basic nullify the purpose of this bill? Wasnt it to extend Law of War to those that were captured here, it already applied to those taken outside the US.

This furthur reinforces that it doesn't apply to Americans.

 

[Texan2]

Re: A perspective worth reading

The Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to American Citizens on U.S. Soil - Washington's Blog

Blogger says one thing....the text of the bill something quite different.

 

[M. Sage]

• (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
  

• • (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

"... requirement to detain".