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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Texsun, Mar 17, 2009.

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  1. Mar 17, 2009 #1
    Texsun

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    Remember why Mcveigh and Nichols blew up the OKC building, it was in response to the raid on the Branch Davidians in Waco...Will we start to see things of this nature in response to gun bans?
     


  2. Mar 17, 2009 #2
    baboon

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    Crazy times, call for crazy measures, from crazy people. Remember under Klintoon when Bensten reclassified the SPAS 12 & street sweepers as destuctive devices? That what I see coming done the road for semi auto weapons. The taxes they generate off the gun owners can finance all kinds of looser social programs for those to lazy to work.

    Just look at the NFA weapons as an example. Taxed & controlled they never turn up in crimes by their legal owners.
     
  3. Mar 17, 2009 #3
    Texas1911

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    It would be much more prevalent if the bans come down hard. If it's just the same cookie cutter AWB then I don't think you'll see much of anything.

    Personally I don't want to see it come to that, as blowing up people in buildings is not going to solve anything or further our cause.
     
  4. Mar 17, 2009 #4
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    I wouldn't think so. Besides, I lost all my guns in a fishing accident and I will not be replacing them. :)
     
  5. Mar 17, 2009 #5
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  6. Mar 17, 2009 #6
    JKTex

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    First, what "gun bans" are you referring to?

    If you're talking about the potential for a reinstatement of an AWB, what happened the first time?

    I don't recall domestic terrorism and civil unrest.....
     
  7. Mar 17, 2009 #7
    SIG_Fiend

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    It should NEVER come to that. I'm all for resisting tyranny and unconstitutional usurpation/infringement of our rights in moral, ethical, and proper ways (yes even "force" can be justified sometimes though there are limits IMO and it is a last resort), but things like the OKC bombing are not what the founders intended. As far as I'm concerned, stuff like that is senseless and the result of lunatics going off the deep end. I would certainly hope no one here is in support of terrorist attacks like that. We still have quite a few peaceful options available to us that still haven't been exhausted in the efforts to stop further infringement, so such attacks are entirely unwarranted. Honestly I can't see any situation that has the possibility of arising in our society where such an attack could ever be justified. I mean that is akin to saying that, just because America has unfortunately killed many civilians in the course of foreign wars within the past few decades, that killing 2819 of our civilians by knocking two skyscrapers to the ground is justified. Collateral damage is wrong no matter how you look at it (especially when it is intentional). While I'm sure things will continue to degrade in this country for the time being (as far as our civil rights go), I don't think things will ever reach the point to where homegrown terrorist attacks like that actually become common place in this country. By the very nature of such acts, that is far from actually fighting for one's rights. The founding fathers fought against those physically and immediately threatening them as an absolute last resort when there was no other choice. You didn't see the founding fathers go raid English villages and blow up orphanages and slaughter innocent British civilians as actions like those would have nothing to do with fighting for freedom. Remember people, morals and ethics are all that matters. Even when we might be getting "kicked while we're down", it is important to always remain morally and ethically sound, otherwise we stand for nothing.
     
  8. Mar 17, 2009 #8
    Texsun

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    First, what "gun bans" are you referring to?

    A hypothetical one.
     
  9. Mar 18, 2009 #9
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    sig_fiend . i really dont agree it has been the way you posted and i cant remember reading of a moral war . Its a fact that what the union army did to bring about the end of the civil war wich was to make it a point to destroy everything in there path and make it as hard on the people as possible . Not just that but look at what was done to native american no one can say that was was a moral war . England viewed the majority of the patriots as a rebellion terrorist groups that fought like cowards because they would not form battle lines .As far as i can tell the wars that are fought to hold off an enemy are long lived and cost more in the end (vietnam , iraq, isriel vs palistine ) burning or destroying every foot hold your enemy has is the ony way to really to put an end to it... That said i have a wife and 2 kids and i fear a civil war .... I would never agree to killing anyone for any reason but if another civil war was to happen all bets are off and no prisoners will be taken ..anyone that is a loyalist would have to leave or die because no one would trade or buy goods from there enemy if they were not killed then what they had would be taken from them and they would be sent packing . I could be wrong but this is the way i see it .
    to aswer the qustion yes men that have had everything taken from them and have nothing left will do things like what happened in OKC ... Our history views the revolutionary war differently than England just like the winners of the civil war have controlled the main view of the civil war . .. sorry if this makes no sence ............willypete
     
  10. Mar 18, 2009 #10
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    Obamas proposed AWB....from what I've read it has a lot more firearms on it than assualt type weapons though. Most semi auto guns including hunt rifles, shotguns, and basic pistols are to be included. Practically all guns seem to fall into one category thats been proposed in the ban. I'm on my iPhone so I can't paste an links to the proposed ban.....if someone else can please do. If not I'll do it tonight when I get home.
     


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