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Online vs Classroom?
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txinvestigator
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I just asked a question and answered another. If opposing opinions are not wanted or appreciated for debate or discussion, then let me know.
You stated the cost was higher, I just presented info to say its not. From experience in taking other people's courses and from my own, and from having sat through many in person classes.
txinvestigator
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How did I know you have a class...Yeah, then your assertation that " many people have benefited" has no basis in fact, it is a sales pitch.
And I agree, you could have answered the question without trying to advertise free.
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$80 isn't the floor or ceiling depending on the student and location, I've seen in person classes for $125, to me that's high. Active duty service members would pay $40 to $50 for the class and not have to shoot and admin that cost, to me that's low. Some LTC instructors don't charge a range fee, some ranges are cheaper in certain areas so your cost fluctuates. As far as time.... all the online classes I've looked at go for the minimum of 4 hours, then add the 1 hour range instruction, is relatively the same.
I'm retiring from commenting further, I think both opinions are probably weighted with bias, thanks for the convo, and hopefully the OP can make a good decision that is cool for them.
I'm retiring from commenting further, I think both opinions are probably weighted with bias, thanks for the convo, and hopefully the OP can make a good decision that is cool for them.
With the number of students I've had and as popular as the online platform has become, which doesn't seem to be going away soon, I can say "many" with marked confidence. I've answered another question that clearly states I have a class, shouldn't be any surprise there since you've read every post on here, right? I've clicked on "many" links throughout this site that people have posted in forums for items for sale, news, business, etc. I didn't see your reply to the person who posted about a place in San Antonio offering a class in this thread... you must have missed it I guess. In any case, be well and goodnight.
No, you didn't. You took the opportunity to spam the forum for your classes.
Deleting your spam is causing problems with the flow of this thread. Stop posting it.
Your insights are welcome but until you become a sponsor, do not post a link to your business again.
txinvestigator
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Just stop. You are making shit up
BCSOCC -
Members are free to post all the links they want for businesses they use or are referencing in normal conversation. However, posting links to your own business is spam unless you become a sponsor.
If you received the first deletion notice I sent you, it explains how to start that process if you're so inclined. We'd welcome you to do so.
Members are free to post all the links they want for businesses they use or are referencing in normal conversation. However, posting links to your own business is spam unless you become a sponsor.
If you received the first deletion notice I sent you, it explains how to start that process if you're so inclined. We'd welcome you to do so.
So do you just wake up mad? and you're still on this? Everyone's opinions are made up of something, either something they know for fact through experience, seen, done, researched, etc. It appears your idea of "made up" are things you don't necessarily agree with. No need to be a jerk when that happens.
Got it and I understand where your're coming from. Thank you.
Paragraphs: Paragraphs are easier to read. I was one of the greatest offenders of a mile long post with no breaks. Someone "asked" me to make paragraphs. I've tried to appreciate that and conform. Completely legitimate and non-offensive suggestion.
Spamming: On this form, and most others on other sites, the members tend to be sensitive to a new poster (few or no comments; just joined) having their first posts reference their own business and appear to be a solicitation. Now, many people on here, as Benenglish mentioned, may mention a business or even their own business if it's in the context of the conversation or related to your own experiences. There's probably a dozen instructors or more that frequent the forums and everyone tends to have good, informative insight and a variety of experiences to draw from. Yours was related to your own experience, but as a new poster, it also ruffles the "spamming the forum" feathers I guess.
(new paragraph
) Ironically, people will chronically post links to non-sponsors websites or mention shopping there. "I got this great deal at Academy the other day..." "I go to Bass Pro to get all my supplies..." "Optics Planet is having a sale..." "Powder Valley...." That kind of rubs me wrong. The big box stores get tons of free advertising on this site and nobody seems to care. However, there's a banner on the right of this page with site sponsors and there are also forum sponsors and others who support or contribute somewhat to the site and it's very delicate if they even mention anything spammy. I even suggested once to edit out all references to businesses that are not involved in or sponsor or support this site. Why is Academy getting free press? Just a pet peeve of mine.
If you have something to contribute in the form of money to provide this free forum for people to share info or find info or gripe or socialize or whatever, or knowledge or connections or services or whatever, then that should be worth something. I've always encouraged people to support their LGS and the sponsors of the forum when possible. Some of the sponsors just pay to advertise. Some are actively involved in the discussions too (I think Capitol Armory is active in the NFA sections, for example).
And on to the topic at hand...
I don't see any problem with the online classes. We transitioned almost fully away from the in person class to an online version. The in-person class my wife took before I was an instructor was an all women's class and she said the instructor just basically read the test to them. We've had other threads on here about how each of us conduct our classes and experiences we've had so I'll not rehash that. But there are many good and horrible in-person classes, but I think the online is generally good in terms of information. If the class teaches the laws, well, that's what it's generally for. I'm going to guess it's more comprehensive than most in-person version.
In our in-person classes we did a lot of role playing, class participation, video support of YouTube stuff where we showed actual robberies or whatever, and answered questions. But that's also to help keep people awake! 4 hours or more sitting in a plastic chair in a small room is tough. If you can do it at your leisure or in the comfort of your La Z Boy after the kids go to sleep, that's got to have some value.
I actually really like the idea that we now have a required one hour+ hands on class. I think even the in person version should have that too. We've had too many people take the shooting test where it's just the test and they REALLY need to have taken a class first. Sure, it's an opportunity to sell them a class they need, but many people have passed with about a 175 and then they think they're good enough after all.
The online class also gives the flexibility for the student to do the academics at their leisure. Many people can't make my Saturday once per month 8:00-3:00 class. One of my friends sat in an emergency room for 4 hrs waiting to see if his dad was going to live after a bad car wreck. He did his whole online class in the waiting room. Then we did our shooting class and now he has his license.
So the online portion isn't just for LE/Mil as someone said, or someone who doesn't have to do the shooting portion. I think many if not most people will find it more flexible. And then if you have questions, ask the live instructor during the shooting class. Hopefully you'll develop a relationship with the instructor and he knows his stuff both with the shooting portion and the laws (and holster use and child safety/safe storage and non-violent resolutions...).
Just my 5 cents worth.
BTW, I was just about to launch our version of the "AR Sale until Beto drops out". Now I'll have to find another Muse! What a buffoon that guy was (is). I'm sure there's a different thread for that topic too.
Spamming: On this form, and most others on other sites, the members tend to be sensitive to a new poster (few or no comments; just joined) having their first posts reference their own business and appear to be a solicitation. Now, many people on here, as Benenglish mentioned, may mention a business or even their own business if it's in the context of the conversation or related to your own experiences. There's probably a dozen instructors or more that frequent the forums and everyone tends to have good, informative insight and a variety of experiences to draw from. Yours was related to your own experience, but as a new poster, it also ruffles the "spamming the forum" feathers I guess.
(new paragraph
) Ironically, people will chronically post links to non-sponsors websites or mention shopping there. "I got this great deal at Academy the other day..." "I go to Bass Pro to get all my supplies..." "Optics Planet is having a sale..." "Powder Valley...." That kind of rubs me wrong. The big box stores get tons of free advertising on this site and nobody seems to care. However, there's a banner on the right of this page with site sponsors and there are also forum sponsors and others who support or contribute somewhat to the site and it's very delicate if they even mention anything spammy. I even suggested once to edit out all references to businesses that are not involved in or sponsor or support this site. Why is Academy getting free press? Just a pet peeve of mine.If you have something to contribute in the form of money to provide this free forum for people to share info or find info or gripe or socialize or whatever, or knowledge or connections or services or whatever, then that should be worth something. I've always encouraged people to support their LGS and the sponsors of the forum when possible. Some of the sponsors just pay to advertise. Some are actively involved in the discussions too (I think Capitol Armory is active in the NFA sections, for example).
And on to the topic at hand...
I don't see any problem with the online classes. We transitioned almost fully away from the in person class to an online version. The in-person class my wife took before I was an instructor was an all women's class and she said the instructor just basically read the test to them. We've had other threads on here about how each of us conduct our classes and experiences we've had so I'll not rehash that. But there are many good and horrible in-person classes, but I think the online is generally good in terms of information. If the class teaches the laws, well, that's what it's generally for. I'm going to guess it's more comprehensive than most in-person version.
In our in-person classes we did a lot of role playing, class participation, video support of YouTube stuff where we showed actual robberies or whatever, and answered questions. But that's also to help keep people awake! 4 hours or more sitting in a plastic chair in a small room is tough. If you can do it at your leisure or in the comfort of your La Z Boy after the kids go to sleep, that's got to have some value.
I actually really like the idea that we now have a required one hour+ hands on class. I think even the in person version should have that too. We've had too many people take the shooting test where it's just the test and they REALLY need to have taken a class first. Sure, it's an opportunity to sell them a class they need, but many people have passed with about a 175 and then they think they're good enough after all.
The online class also gives the flexibility for the student to do the academics at their leisure. Many people can't make my Saturday once per month 8:00-3:00 class. One of my friends sat in an emergency room for 4 hrs waiting to see if his dad was going to live after a bad car wreck. He did his whole online class in the waiting room. Then we did our shooting class and now he has his license.
So the online portion isn't just for LE/Mil as someone said, or someone who doesn't have to do the shooting portion. I think many if not most people will find it more flexible. And then if you have questions, ask the live instructor during the shooting class. Hopefully you'll develop a relationship with the instructor and he knows his stuff both with the shooting portion and the laws (and holster use and child safety/safe storage and non-violent resolutions...).
Just my 5 cents worth.
BTW, I was just about to launch our version of the "AR Sale until Beto drops out". Now I'll have to find another Muse! What a buffoon that guy was (is). I'm sure there's a different thread for that topic too.
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