Pence for President in 2024?

[Axxe55]

My biggest fear is that many may believe that system is broken, and that's why the courts need to chime in on voter integrity. If people start getting the attitude of "why bother", we're done as a country completely.

They may cheat me out of my vote, but it won't be because I didn't vote.

Election integrity is the biggest issue we are facing. Even Democrat voters should be crying to the rafters as well. They may not realize that the pendulum swings in both directions, and it may very well be that one day the Republicans start stacking the deck in their favor because of what the Democrats have done in the past.

And it's kind of hard to call cheating, when they have been caught for years rigging the system.

 

[easy rider]

They may cheat me out of my vote, but it won't be because I didn't vote.

Election integrity is the biggest issue we are facing. Even Democrat voters should be crying to the rafters as well. They may not realize that the pendulum swings in both directions, and it may very well be that one day the Republicans start stacking the deck in their favor because of what the Democrats have done in the past.

And it's kind of hard to call cheating, when they have been caught for years rigging the system.

Although I do believe there were some shenanigans in the voter process, I also believe that no voter ID and mail in ballots got more votes by far. And as I had said, due to many that only get their information from the corporate news and wouldn't be bothered to go out and vote, voted against Trump, not necessarily for Biden. There were a whole lot of ballots that only voted for the president. That tells me they aren't really interested in politics, but they heard that Trump is a nazi.

 

[jonevill]

That tells me that those ballots were fraudulent.

 

[easy rider]

That tells me that those ballots were fraudulent.

I believe so. They try to say it's racist to require ID to vote and then in places like New York city they require an ID to go out for dinner.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Gw to be fired the

I believe so. They try to say it's racist to require ID to vote and then in places like New York city they require an ID to go out for dinner.

Of course we know the Dems reason for not wanting ID to vote. They are power hungry maggots.

 

[easy rider]

Gw to be fired the
Of course we know the Dems reason for not wanting ID to vote. They are power hungry maggots.

There are many of those on the republican side too, that's what makes the swamp.

 

[Grumps21]

This doesn't even make any sense. Trump received far more votes in the last election than his prior one, and also received far more votes than Obama did in his landmark win in 2008. He never lost support, but millions more to his campaign.

But it seems like you actually, truly believe that Joseph Biden really received 12 million more legitimate votes than the record-breaking votes that Obama did in his first term, who, exactly like Trump, was drawing 50,000 + people to his rallies, and overall public enthusiasm off the charts. While the moron with the most votes in U.S. history was unable to draw 200 to a car rally. Or barely 6000 views on a livestream rally compared to Trump's milllion plus.

Who watched the Mike Lindell thing last month? I did, and it was very telling. Unfortunately, he was written off by the media including FOX as a fringe conspiracy guy. What he presented was very telling. The guy put everything on the line to publish the dastardly deeds that occurred during the election, and I believe there is credence to his claims. No one in the MSM has refuted his claims. In fact, there’s been media silence.

 

[DoubleDuty]

There are many of those on the republican side too, that's what makes the swamp.

Well we need to cull them too.

 

[Axxe55]

Who watched the Mike Lindell thing last month? I did, and it was very telling. Unfortunately, he was written off by the media including FOX as a fringe conspiracy guy. What he presented was very telling. The guy put everything on the line to publish the dastardly deeds that occurred during the election, and I believe there is credence to his claims. No one in the MSM has refuted his claims. In fact, there’s been media silence.

Sometimes silence can be it's own indicator of just how close to the truth someone might be.

 

[oldag]

This doesn't even make any sense. Trump received far more votes in the last election than his prior one, and also received far more votes than Obama did in his landmark win in 2008. He never lost support, but millions more to his campaign.

But it seems like you actually, truly believe that Joseph Biden really received 12 million more legitimate votes than the record-breaking votes that Obama did in his first term, who, exactly like Trump, was drawing 50,000 + people to his rallies, and overall public enthusiasm off the charts. While the moron with the most votes in U.S. history was unable to draw 200 to a car rally. Or barely 6000 views on a livestream rally compared to Trump's milllion plus.

It will make sense if one thinks through it.

How did Trump receive more votes than he did before? Better turnout of his supporters.

How did the Dems receive more votes? The hate of Trump (aided by the media) energized their base even more. No Republican candidate has ever drawn the level of hate from the liberals as Trump. And shooting off his mouth, he also alienated the middle ground. Liberals were determined to keep him from winning again.

Was there voter fraud? Of course, every election has had this.

You don't think there was voter fraud when Trump was elected the first time? How naive. Sure there was.

Other candidates have gathered enough broad support to overcome the fraud. Trump did the first time. Not the second, though.

 

[oldag]

Then feel quite free to vote for Pence.

Or you could always vote for Biden again. We all know how he's done such a better job than Trump ever did. s/.

The latter comment is beneath you Axxe, even in sarcasm. I would not be surprised had it come from others. But you? I am disappointed.

As to the first, I will vote for whom I believe is the best candidate with the best chance of beating the Dem. I have no problem with Pence, but he probably will not meet the latter criteria.

 

[oldag]

Why are people acting like voter fraud is something new?

We need to try and reduce it, sure. But it has been around forever. Candidates just have to overcome it.

 

[Younggun]

Why are people acting like voter fraud is something new?

We need to try and reduce it, sure. But it has been around forever. Candidates just have to overcome it.

The universal mail in ballot changes took the ability to cast fraudulent votes to a much higher level in the last election.

I’ve read some opinions that the election was rigged not by fraud, but in the ability of the Dems to just send out their minions to these places and go door to door getting people to tick a box and stick it in the mailbox. Was that enough to make the numbers? We don’t know because there was so little security that there’s no way to know who actually filled out those ballots.

I don’t believe we can compare whatever fraud was scene in previous elections to 2020 though, as previously there was at least an attempt at some kind of security and last year Covid was used as an excuse to remove almost all security measures in key states and in most of them any attempts to find out if wide spread fraud took place were crushed. Voter fraud has been around forever, but the ability to commit fraud on such a large scale with so little security was new in 2020.


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[easy rider]

It will make sense if one thinks through it.

How did Trump receive more votes than he did before? Better turnout of his supporters.

How did the Dems receive more votes? The hate of Trump (aided by the media) energized their base even more. No Republican candidate has ever drawn the level of hate from the liberals as Trump. And shooting off his mouth, he also alienated the middle ground. Liberals were determined to keep him from winning again.

Was there voter fraud? Of course, every election has had this.

You don't think there was voter fraud when Trump was elected the first time? How naive. Sure there was.

Other candidates have gathered enough broad support to overcome the fraud. Trump did the first time. Not the second, though.

I agree completely, but please quit calling them liberals. Liberal implies liberty, and these fools are wanting anything but liberty. The classical liberals are closer aligned with libertarians.

 

[oldag]

I don’t believe we can compare whatever fraud was scene in previous elections to 2020 though,

Ever hear about LBJ in 1948?

 

[oldag]

I agree completely, but please quit calling them liberals. Liberal implies liberty, and these fools are wanting anything but liberty. The classical liberals are closer aligned with libertarians.

I sure as heck ain't gonna call them progressives, because there is no progress at all in what they are doing.

You are right in that the liberals of today have nothing to do with the liberals of the early and mid 1900's.

 

[easy rider]

I sure as heck ain't gonna call them progressives, because there is no progress at all in what they are doing.

You are right in that the liberals of today have nothing to do with the liberals of the early and mid 1900's.

They're leftists and many are socialist or possibly communist, they sure as hell ain't liberal.

I hate when we give into the hijacking of terms. Much like Nationalist. I consider myself a nationalist, because I would fight and die to keep this nation from turning into another Russia, or worse yet, China. Yet, because some people started calling white supremacists, white nationalists, now if you call yourself a nationalist, you're deemed a racist. What is happening in the U.S. with words is much like the Ministry of Truth out of 1984. Change the language to change how you think.

 

[Younggun]

Ever hear about LBJ in 1948?

Sure, I’ve heard of him. But you aren’t giving any examples for comparison. And if it’s an outlier then it just goes to prove the point that this was not a typical election where there may be some limited fraud to overcome. For all we don’t know, the voter fraud could have been historically massive. The door was open for it, the numbers are there, but in almost every case any attempts to get evidence are blocked.

FWIW, I not sure fraud was the main or only driver behind Trumps defeat. IMO it was the massive media and social media campaign against him. What he did really made no difference as anything on TV would twist his words, run hit pieces using unnamed sources with not evidence to support them, block anything which refuted the narrative, fact check some stories as completely false if anything was even slightly incorrect but others mostly true while being pure fiction, regular TV programming was using fictional caricatures of Trump supporters as stand-ins for murderers, racists, and terrorists, and it goes on.

Trump had more to overcome than any other candidate in US history before the possibility of outright voter fraud is even considered. And I honestly don’t think keeping him off Twitter would have changed that. It was a coordinated attack by just about every mainstream source of information or entertainment in the country, and all of it directed at one man.


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[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

President Trump wouldn't be bullied by the 'deep state' and that drove them mad...why should he be different.

All previous Presidents left 'deep state' fiefdoms alone, but President Trump not only didn't leave them alone, he laughed at them...mistake.

 

[rotor]

Not a fan of Pence but he was a faithful vp like he was supposed to be. Biden was a faithful vp and he won. Our fate is now in the hands of the east and west coasts.

Illegal voting and ballot collection is easy to do and almost impossible to detect. Maybe Republicans need to play dirty too.
Just a few crooked people in a critical district can change or alter ballots and change an election.
We have seen these people with their sex charges when Supreme Court judges come up. Because the issues are so critical to them they are willing to lie and cheat.
Trump was crippled for years by false Russian allegations. Let’s see if Sussman goes to jail. HRK should be there too. As well as senior FBI.