Not even a little bit.
Then I don't know a better way to explain it right now. How about Jefferson?
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
Not even a little bit.
Liberty is not yielding when you consent to a search.Then I don't know a better way to explain it right now. How about Jefferson?
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
Liberty is not yielding when you consent to a search.
When people call the police and say "I think a burglar may be in my house, come help!" Are they giving up their liberty? When the police find an open door while you are on vacation and over the phone you tell them to make sure no one is in their house....Did you give up your liberty?
Only when you are deprived of a right is liberty assailed.
And Sage, if that is shown to have happened it should be addressed.
As to your former point, you don't have to have LE experience to question, but to say they are doing it wrong when you have zero training or experience doing what they do seems a bit...overzealous on your part. Your ability to question/critique has nothing to do with whether you do/do not pay their salary. Not sure how you injected that or why.
I didn't make a mob rule arguement. I said based on the temperment of the people that were in front of the cameras (which I think is representative of the citizenry of the area) they did not appear to be that of an oppressed, violated people. I suppose time will tell if that is/is not the case.
I dont have remotely enough facts to begin to analyze what was done today by police there. Nor do you or all the armchair/moday morning QBs who are chiming in. I know people on this board that have a talent for dramatizing encounters, so I guess much of it is perspective.And like I said, given the scale of this, I don't see how someone didn't get their toes stepped on.
This was posted by someone who says they were there. Is it true? What reason did they have to lie? I don't know. But it has a ring of truth to it.
"They have been pulling people out of their homes and treating them like criminals leading them out of the house with guns pointed on them."
State police: "JUSTIN.....JUSTIN.....PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT DOOR. STATE POLICE...JUSTIN....JUSTIN....PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT DOOR."
Me: (Like an asshole, thinking that the God mic they're on can some how hear me from inside the house) "Oh, just a second, let me put a hat on."
Came out and put my hands on the SWAT truck and a team of about 50 or 60 police and swat team members ushered me out and away from my house and down the street.
"Let me tell you that TRAINED snipers with their cross-hairs focused on you while they bring you out of your house is enough to make you LITERALLY sh*t your pants."
FWIW, the salary thing is absolutely relevant in the same way my employer signs my paychecks, and our customers sign his.
So, what exigent circumstances can you possibly see that would explain what the BPD did today?
Exactly...we DON'T know. And therefore its all conjecture at this point. You assume the worst....for we all know...
Exactly...we DON'T know. And therefore its all conjecture at this point. You assume the worst.
I dont have remotely enough facts to begin to analyze what was done today by police there. Nor do you or all the armchair/moday morning QBs who are chiming in. I know people on this board that have a talent for dramatizing encounters, so I guess much of it is perspective.
FWIW...you don't pay BPD salary, but I still believe that you have a right to question their actions. That was my point. Who pays has nothing to do with who can question.
Whether or not they do has nothing to do with your right to question them. How do you not get that?O RLY? I guarantee they get federal funds.