Protesters over run capitol

[Leadeye]

Mathias Rust just flew into what was probably the most protected airspace in the world at the time. A result of a lot of missteps, bad plans, confusion and bad luck. This is what happened at the Capitol, only the people just walked in.

Lots of people in USSR air defense were dismissed, I would imagine that something similar will happen in dc, we just won't hear about it.

I'm looking at this from a security perspective only.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Mathias Rust just flew into what was probably the most protected airspace in the world at the time. A result of a lot of missteps, bad plans, confusion and bad luck. This is what happened at the Capitol, only the people just walked in.

Lots of people in USSR air defense were dismissed, I would imagine that something similar will happen in dc, we just won't hear about it.

I'm looking at this from a security perspective only.

Gotcha, makes sense.

 

[Younggun]

From what I’ve seen the security issues at the capital can be attributed to 2 scenarios based on the same facts.

In the first, the DC mayor was attacked by the left after the DC riots because of the police presence and they claimed it was racist, etc. she demanded minimal security presence for the 6th because she didn’t want things to look bad. Unarmed officers, no riot gear, no NG presence, etc.

When shit got ugly capital police made multiple requests for backup and were denied. Calls were also made to the pentagon for help but also denied. All due to not wanting to look bad. It seems all the decisions can be traced back to the DC mayor trying to cater to a leftist ideology concerning law enforcement rolls during protests.


The other option is to see that all the same things happened but it was due to a nefarious scheme to trick the Trump supporters.


Personally, I think it’s closer to the first option. And I probably missed a name or 2 as far as who was involved in the security decisions, but it doesn’t really change the narratives.


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[Renegade]

From what I’ve seen the security issues at the capital can be attributed to 2 scenarios based on the same facts.

In the first, the DC mayor was attacked by the left after the DC riots because of the police presence and they claimed it was racist, etc. she demanded minimal security presence for the 6th because she didn’t want things to look bad. Unarmed officers, no riot gear, no NG presence, etc.

When shit got ugly capital police made multiple requests for backup and were denied. Calls were also made to the pentagon for help but also denied. All due to not wanting to look bad. It seems all the decisions can be traced back to the DC mayor trying to cater to a leftist ideology concerning law enforcement rolls during protests.


The other option is to see that all the same things happened but it was due to a nefarious scheme to trick the Trump supporters.


Personally, I think it’s closer to the first option. And I probably missed a name or 2 as far as who was involved in the security decisions, but it doesn’t really change the narratives.


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DC Police are not responsible for the Capitol. This event falls soley on the shoulders of the US Capitol Police:


Our Mission | United States Capitol Police (uscp.gov)

Our Mission
Protect the Congress – its Members, employees, visitors, and facilities – so it can fulfill its constitutional and legislative responsibilities in a safe, secure and open environment.

 

[Younggun]

DC Police are not responsible for the Capitol. This event falls soley on the shoulders of the US Capitol Police:


Our Mission | United States Capitol Police (uscp.gov)

Our Mission
Protect the Congress – its Members, employees, visitors, and facilities – so it can fulfill its constitutional and legislative responsibilities in a safe, secure and open environment.

I’m aware of that. There was still coordination between the mayor and capital police though. I just can’t remember all the names of those involved. But as I said, it was all based around the same “logic”.


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[Renegade]

I’m aware of that. There was still coordination between the mayor and capital police though. I just can’t remember all the names of those involved. But as I said, it was all based around the same “logic”.

The optics would be a lot better for the USCP if they had a paper trail of requests for support that were denied.

 

[toddnjoyce]

The optics would be a lot better for the USCP if they had a paper trail of requests for support that were denied.

There’s a paper trail; here’s the Mayor of DC’s position on 4 Jan:
“In a letter to federal officials on Monday, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser urged federal law enforcement to maintain a light footprint for Wednesday’s protests, seeking to avoid the type of show of force that had inflamed tense situations in the city last year.””

Ahead of Capitol Riot, Police Miscalculated Risk

Federal and local law enforcement say they underestimated the threat posed to Congress, despite the evidence of plans online in the days leading up to the attack.

www.wsj.com

 

[Renegade]

There’s a paper trail; here’s the Mayor of DC’s position on 4 Jan:
“In a letter to federal officials on Monday, Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser urged federal law enforcement to maintain a light footprint for Wednesday’s protests, seeking to avoid the type of show of force that had inflamed tense situations in the city last year.””

Ahead of Capitol Riot, Police Miscalculated Risk

Federal and local law enforcement say they underestimated the threat posed to Congress, despite the evidence of plans online in the days leading up to the attack.

www.wsj.com

Meh.

USCP mission is literally to protect the Capitol, not bend over to political requests. Add in all th hooliganism occurred on Federal property, blame is mostly going to land on USCP and USPP.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Meh.

USCP mission is literally to protect the Capitol, not bend over to political requests. Add in all th hooliganism occurred on Federal property, blame is mostly going to land on USCP and USPP.

I’m aware and agree however USCP directly work for the Capitol Police board composed of the two Sergeants-At-Arms and the Capitol Architect and protection is just a part of USCP’s mission.

USCP is literally Congress’ private police force; the department will get blamed, but the politicians on the board set the policy, which is why three of the four members of the Board have resigned already.

GAO took pains to note in a 2017 report that USCP needs don’t align with Board wants and that hampers mission accomplishment.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/682553.pdf#page9

 

[Younggun]

USCP was asking for support and was denied.


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[Renegade]

USCP was asking for support and was denied.

Anything under the Mayors control? Sure.

Hard to believe USSS turned them down if Pence was going to be there. FBI turned them down too? USPP turned them down too? US Marshals turned them down too? And of course BATFE, they will go anywhere for the publicity.

Wow what a blockbuster news story if true.

 

[popper]

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Officially Capitol was CLOSED due to COVID!
Union? Heard talk that piglosi passed a bill to eliminate right-to-work laws. Belonged to one for a summer job, just drop off dues at the box and LEAVE. Worked one place with union, woke the guys from the aircraft.

 

[Younggun]

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[Axxe55]

It's entirely understandable to be upset, angry and frustrated over the events of last year, in regards to the "protests" of the BLM and ANTIFA, but that doesn't excuse anyone from their criminal behavior on the 6th of January, regardless of how some may try and justify those actions. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior, and it's irrelevant in who commits that behavior.

 

[satx78247]

gambler; All,

Fwiw, reference our "proposed airline", I (as one of the group of alumni) received an email from LaDonna, who made several comments from her experience as an air hostess.

One comment that she made (& that I will share here) is that she said that the "legacy air carriers" made three "needless mistakes that cost the lines significant money" was NOT "aggressively pursuing 'small parcel air freight, that can travel at a very low cost to the airline but are quite profitable', failing to employ well-qualified women as pilots/copilots & the airline personnel policy that required experienced stewardesses & any other personnel to resign, when/if they got married." = She said, "I like to think that I've gotten smarter over the last decades."

yours, satx

 

[satx78247]

Thank you for those wonderful words of wisdom and clarification.

gambler; All,

I suspect that the DIMocRATS "leadership" (for example "BIG-MOUTH" Schumer of NY) will suddenly "lose interest in" prosecuting "insurrectionists" that damaged the US Capitol, when it becomes obvious (even to the LEFTISTS) that the VAST MAJORITY of the VANDALS ( who DAMAGED/destroyed/stole things in the building) & other COMMON CRIMINALS were actually ANTIFAS, BLM & other FAR LEFT/DIMocRAT extremists.

yours, satx

 

[gambler]

gambler; All,

I suspect that the DIMocRATS "leadership" (for example "BIG-MOUTH" Schumer of NY) will suddenly "lose interest in" prosecuting "insurrectionists" that damaged the US Capitol, when it becomes obvious (even to the LEFTISTS) that the VAST MAJORITY of the VANDALS ( who DAMAGED/destroyed/stole things in the building) & other COMMON CRIMINALS were actually ANTIFAS, BLM & other FAR LEFT/DIMocRAT extremists.

yours, satx

I don't. I think they will ride this horse for a long time. They will never admit it was anyone but the right and the MSM will agree with them. Whatever they can do to keep the republicans down and keep turning the tide against them to increase their lead in the house and the senate.

 

[satx78247]

I don't. I think they will ride this horse for a long time. They will never admit it was anyone but the right and the MSM will agree with them. Whatever they can do to keep the republicans down and keep turning the tide against them to increase their lead in the house and the senate.

gambler,

Even though the LEFTIST DIMocRATS are KNOWN to be SHAMELESS SERIAL LIARS, they will not long be able to deny that when VANDALS, THIEVES & other LEFTIST CRIMINALS, who invaded the Capitol, are indicted/tried/convicted/sentenced that a LARGE PERCENTAGE are also LEFTISTS/DIMocRATS.
Even the "DIMocRAT-loving" MSM won't be able to deny the OBVIOUS w/o LOOKING COMPLETELY STUPID, when the evidence is produced at trial & the photos of the convicted are released by the AOUSC.

yours, satx

 

[Bobk]

The below are some examples of how conspiracy theories can cause all of us problems. You guys from the Clinton years know what I mean. It didn't take agitators to cause them to do what they did. Several of the people below were believers in the QAnon stuff. :

First person "The Shaman"

'He gets very sick if he doesn't eat organic food—literally will get physically sick,' she told ABC 15.

" He has been living with his mother Martha, 56, since January 2019"

Snowflake Shaman gets his special organic diet

Jacob Anthony Chansley, 33, also known as Jake Angeli, shot to worldwide infamy when he stormed the Capitol last week sporting face-paint, a fur hat and holding a Star-Spangled spear.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Second Person, "The Caveman"
NY Judge’s Son Pictured at Capitol Riot in Fur Pelts, Police Gear Is Arrested

NY Judge’s Son Pictured at Capitol Riot in Fur Pelts, Police Gear Is Arrested

A Brooklyn judge’s son, who was pictured at Wednesday’s attack on the U.S. Capitol wearing fur pelts and carrying police gear, was arrested by the FBI on Tuesday. Aaron Mostofsky, the 34-year-old son of prominent Orthodox Jewish community figures and Kings County Supreme Court Judge Shlomo...

www.yahoo.com

3rd Person Air Force LtCol
Air Force veteran identified as Capitol rioter carrying zip ties on Senate floor

Air Force veteran identified as Capitol rioter carrying zip ties on Senate floor

A retired lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserves was identified as one of the rioters who stormed the nation's Capitol Wednesday and proceeded to the Senate floor carrying zip ties as lawmakers fled.

www.foxnews.com

4th Person "Podium Guy"
Adam Johnson, the Florida man seen carrying Nancy Pelosi's lectern during US Capitol riot, out of jail on $25K bail

Adam Johnson, the Florida man seen carrying Nancy Pelosi's lectern during US Capitol riot, out of jail on $25K bail

Florida man Adam Johnson has been charged with three felonies following the U.S. Capitol riot, including one count of theft of government property.

news.yahoo.com

5th Person "The guy at Nancy's Desk"
The rioter who took photos at Nancy Pelosi's desk and recently said he's a white nationalist prepared for a violent death has been arrested

The rioter who took photos at Nancy Pelosi's desk and recently said he's a white nationalist prepared for a violent death has been arrested

Capitol rioter Richard Barnett was arrested on charges of entering and remaining on restricted grounds, violent entry, and theft of public property.

news.yahoo.com

6th person Ashli Babbit, "The Protestor who was Killed"

Woman killed in Capitol was Trump supporter who embraced conspiracy theories

Social media profiles connected to Ashli Babbitt were almost singularly focused on radical conservative topics and conspiracy theories.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Axxe55]

The below are some examples of how conspiracy theories can cause all of us problems. You guys from the Clinton years know what I mean. It didn't take agitators to cause them to do what they did. Several of the people below were believers in the QAnon stuff. :

First person "The Shaman"

'He gets very sick if he doesn't eat organic food—literally will get physically sick,' she told ABC 15.

" He has been living with his mother Martha, 56, since January 2019"

Snowflake Shaman gets his special organic diet

Jacob Anthony Chansley, 33, also known as Jake Angeli, shot to worldwide infamy when he stormed the Capitol last week sporting face-paint, a fur hat and holding a Star-Spangled spear.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Second Person, "The Caveman"
NY Judge’s Son Pictured at Capitol Riot in Fur Pelts, Police Gear Is Arrested

NY Judge’s Son Pictured at Capitol Riot in Fur Pelts, Police Gear Is Arrested

A Brooklyn judge’s son, who was pictured at Wednesday’s attack on the U.S. Capitol wearing fur pelts and carrying police gear, was arrested by the FBI on Tuesday. Aaron Mostofsky, the 34-year-old son of prominent Orthodox Jewish community figures and Kings County Supreme Court Judge Shlomo...

www.yahoo.com

3rd Person Air Force LtCol
Air Force veteran identified as Capitol rioter carrying zip ties on Senate floor

Air Force veteran identified as Capitol rioter carrying zip ties on Senate floor

A retired lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserves was identified as one of the rioters who stormed the nation's Capitol Wednesday and proceeded to the Senate floor carrying zip ties as lawmakers fled.

www.foxnews.com

4th Person "Podium Guy"
Adam Johnson, the Florida man seen carrying Nancy Pelosi's lectern during US Capitol riot, out of jail on $25K bail

Adam Johnson, the Florida man seen carrying Nancy Pelosi's lectern during US Capitol riot, out of jail on $25K bail

Florida man Adam Johnson has been charged with three felonies following the U.S. Capitol riot, including one count of theft of government property.

news.yahoo.com

5th Person "The guy at Nancy's Desk"
The rioter who took photos at Nancy Pelosi's desk and recently said he's a white nationalist prepared for a violent death has been arrested

The rioter who took photos at Nancy Pelosi's desk and recently said he's a white nationalist prepared for a violent death has been arrested

Capitol rioter Richard Barnett was arrested on charges of entering and remaining on restricted grounds, violent entry, and theft of public property.

news.yahoo.com

6th person Ashli Babbit, "The Protestor who was Killed"

Woman killed in Capitol was Trump supporter who embraced conspiracy theories

Social media profiles connected to Ashli Babbitt were almost singularly focused on radical conservative topics and conspiracy theories.

www.nbcnews.com

Sad that some are wanting align themselves with these idiots, even a few sadly misinformed members here on the forum.

These are radical extremist right wingers, not BLM, or ANTIFA members!

Again, anyone care to show the proof of four busloads of ANTIFA members some are claiming were at the Capitol, posing as Trump supporters? Betcha can't!