Putting my foil hat on...

[DirtyD]

With the arrests of the "Right Wing Christian Extremist" group, the shootings in DC and Chicago and the letters sent to the Governers today, I am starting to feel set up.... any one else got that funny feeling?

 

[MAJIK_BONE_77]

Wether it is or isn't a setup, it still ends with the progressive libtards using all this as a reason to scream for gun control.

And it does all feel a little too convenient, all happening at the same time.

 

[ducksps]

Just because your paranoid does not mean someones not out to get you. Yes, this is making headlines in a very funny way. Not sure how odd the timing is but regardless the media was set to pounce.

 

[deputy]

Actually, my tin foil hat is sort of predicting that anger levels are extremely high and a few may be driven to rage and go off the deep end..............

Oklahoma City bombing as an example......isolated incidents at Ruby Ridge and Waco triggered such rage.
The rhetoric flying in D.C. is at all-time levels. Accusations of socialism, talks about the Constitution, and what appears to be more people taking an active interest in politics than any other time in my lifetime. The growth of the Tea Party, and the republicans feeding some of the fears in order to garner support. An "us vs them" mentality is the current message across the conserative air-ways.

I am not saying a bloody revolution.......i am saying a very few may indeed twist off..........and the White House and the liberals will take advantage of it or indeed may very well attempt to feed it.

 

[DirtyD]

The other thing that strikes me funny is how Chicago and DC, two of the most restrictive environments for gun owners... yet people cant seem to make the connection that more does not equal less....

 

[Texasjack]

...isolated incidents at Ruby Ridge and Waco...The rhetoric flying in D.C. is at all-time levels. Accusations of socialism, talks about the Constitution, and what appears to be more people taking an active interest in politics than any other time in my lifetime. The growth of the Tea Party, and the republicans feeding some of the fears in order to garner support. An "us vs them" mentality is the current message across the conserative air-ways.

Isolated incidents? The government killing it's citizens? You can down-play that??

Accusations of socialism??? How can you possibly NOT see socialism in the current government???

Republicans feeding on fears?? I can't defend the Republicans; they suck. But if this government doesn't make you afraid when they bypass the Constitution to pass law, they you simply aren't paying attention.

You tin foil hat has an I*heart*Obama sticker on it.

So what flavor was the Kool-aide?

 

[deputy]

Isolated incidents? The government killing it's citizens? You can down-play that??

Accusations of socialism??? How can you possibly NOT see socialism in the current government???

Republicans feeding on fears?? I can't defend the Republicans; they suck. But if this government doesn't make you afraid when they bypass the Constitution to pass law, they you simply aren't paying attention.

You tin foil hat has an I*heart*Obama sticker on it.

So what flavor was the Kool-aide?

and i see you easily jump the gun and assume............
isolated incidents were not meant to belittle them or down-play them, it was meant to show that a few sensational incidents that garner huge media attention years apart are not forgotten by the people (..and thankfull that they are far and few..)....but a reminder that folks don't forget as in the motives of the OK City bombing.....now this current health care fight and attacks on the Constitution have had constant media coverage for over a year, and folks will not forget what the federal govt or their own representives did or did not do in this attack on the Republic.
Accusations of socialism is everywhere in the mainstream conserative media......i did not challenge that notion, just that it is mentioned daily on a constant basis and the faithfull hear the messages over and over and over.........preaching to the choir so to speak.
The republicans are feeding off the tea party to gain some momentum....without the tea party the republicans would be a limp dish rag....they have been energized by it and obtained a measure of focus and support......now they are trying to absorb and difuse the Tea Party to prevent a 3rd party and fracture.

your reference of a heart obama sticker is warrantless and an insult. and this is yet a minor example of extreme "us vs them" in which the right may even turn on its own if there is any disagreement or perceived weakness in the ranks.....

The purpose of my post was to try to express that a limited few may very well indeed view a political attack on the Republic and Constitution in the same regard as attacks Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Similar as to attacks on abortion clinics and doctors. They may indeed feel justified that their actions are for the greater good.......and just as in the abortion cases, the violent attacks are isolated and few...but nevertheless they are there by very "passionate" individuals. The Constitution and the Republic stirs passion in us all. How that passion is applied and shown by an extreme isolated few in the form of violence is the problem. There will always be a few whack jobs on the extreme right and left that go to violence as the answer......it can not be ignored or dismissed.

 

[Texasjack]

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King

I am passionate about the Constitution. Various members of my family fought and, in some cases died, trying to defend this country. Apparently, that effort was all in vain. The country has embraced a Marxist president and a Stalinist House Speaker that have used the Constitution like it was a roll of Charmin. Yet I don't find them as disgusting as the amoebas that voted them in office and continue to accept the rhetoric that they can only be saved by the government.

There is another group that may be even more disgusting: those who willing accept whatever is going on with no more than a shrug of the shoulders. Those who are more upset that people might be arguing about politics than what the actual politics are doing to the country. "Can't we all just get along?" That was a pretty common sentiment in Germany during the 1930's.

The Founding Fathers argued about politics constantly. Their vision for the country was for people to be able to discuss political ideas freely and passionately. Human beings are flawed, by definition. Free and open discourse was the method for making corrections to our natural mistakes.

If you are not taking a side in an issue, that simply means that you haven't thought about it. That is, at best, lazy; at worst, dangerous.

Yes, there will always be nuts who resort to violence. People get killed over pocket change or wearing the wrong color. But you CANNOT compare that to what a government can do when it decides to resort to violence. A government that wants to control everything cannot tolerate opposing opinions. It cannot tolerate people who may be able to resist it's will. This is a gun forum and anyone who has paid any attention to the current government must believe that our rights under the Second Amendment are in extreme danger. We can choose to speak up now, or we can wait until they are knocking on the door. Choosing to bury your head in the sand and pretend it's just not worth getting excited over does not appeal to me.

 

[ducksps]

Well put TexasJack. Far too many American's speak in news soundbites oblivious to underlying cause/effect and are more concerned with popular culture (Sandra Bullock, the bachelor, football, ect) than National and INternational affairs. Much of society has become distracted, lazy, or both.

 

[Adionik]

I'm not prepared ammo or magazine wise for anything....so let's hope nothing happens

 

[ducksps]

Proper preparation for most is DVR'd recordings of Seinfeld (which I like) and The Bachelor (never seen) so they don't have to watch any news that may pre-empt normal broadcasting.

 

[deputy]

I assure you that i do not have my "head in the sand"................and i am not making a "comparison" of what the govt can do.

What i was talking about is specific instances that can promote, instill, and push folks towards taking violent action. Again, anger and hatred of govt action lead to the OK City bombing as an act of revenge. I believe that the current level of anger and hatred may also push some extreminsts into taking some sort of violent action in defense of the Constitution.

The original post I was trying to respond to here reflected a conspiracy or a "set up".............There could be some truth in that, but at the same time, there are millions of politically movitated angry Americans. And some of these may choose to act with violence. It is just as much a real possibility and should not be ignored. I strongly believe that there will be "lone wolf" attacks against the govt that are motivated by the current political climate.

I have chosen the side of the Constitution and the 2A...........but in these times, the extreme right can be just as dangerous as the extreme left. I do not follow blindly, to take information as absolute truths is dangerous........and take the media with a grain of salt. But I do keep my eyes and ears open and pay attention. Even on the local level in barber shops, coffee shops, and the newspaper editorials, folks are down right angry. The mood is ugly, and I'm talking conservative and independents here. I hope that it translates into a huge voter turn out for the conservatives in Nov.

Will violence (domestic terror attacks) be an excuse by the govt to clamp down? Yes. Will the liberal left exploit it?....yes........will they manufacture the violence?........possibly. But given the current mood, I accept the possibility that someone on "our side" will fire the first shot.....and play right into their hands.......
Now we can claim the shooter is not on "our side", but this issue will be painted as "black and white" or "us against them" by the govt, the left, and the media with no shades of gray.......much like some of the posts on this thread----black and white with absolutes.

A person must keep focus on his goals.......but also one can not afford tunnel vision as it is a killer in these times...............and exchange and discussion are vital to cover all aspects.

 

[Major Woody]

With Austin being citied by the Feds as a connection spot where Cartels move their drugs, I see this building up a case for more gun control, since Billary signed the arms treaty recently. Federal plants are trying to infiltrate more militias to 'help facilitate' these events.
And of course the commie media loves it.

 

[TheDan]

Proper preparation for most is DVR'd recordings of Seinfeld...

Since you bring this up, I want to point out that it's rather prudent to include entertainment in your "SHTF" preparations. Obviously a library of DVDs is useless to you if you have to bug out, but if you "bug in" gathering the family around the boob tube at the end of the day may be the only semblance of sanity you'll be able to get. Keeping moral high is imperative to making it through survival situations. I already have lots of guns and ammo and canned foods. If the world ends and people are raiding the grocery stores for the last of the food, you'll see me across the street raiding block buster, lol...

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

This is normal. One "Christian" who blows up a an abortion clinic is a religious zealot, domestic terrorist, while 19 Muslim extremists who kill over 3000 people are simply misunderstood. The "Christian" militia was probably a lot of other things; predominately white, from a particular region, same socioeconomic class, etc., but the media chooses "Christian" because there's an all-out assault on Christianity -- not "religion!" Christianity! When the atheists make fun of people and their "mythical sky gods," do you think they're talking about Muslims? Hell no!

Yes, we're being setup. We have been for years. Obama illustrated this point when he referenced those who "cling to their guns and their Bibles." Did you noticed how the term "Evangelical" was tossed around in the '08 presidential primaries as a derogatory term? The left sees Christians as idiots, but they revere the Muslims. If the basis for this disdain was simply their belief that there is no God, wouldn't they denigrate the Muslims as well? Why don't they? Well, first, they know that the Muslims wouldn't put up with their criticism and they'd be the target of the next fatwa. More importantly, they simply hate Christians. It's personal.

 

[Fisherman777]

This is normal. One "Christian" who blows up a an abortion clinic is a religious zealot, domestic terrorist, while 19 Muslim extremists who kill over 3000 people are simply misunderstood. The "Christian" militia was probably a lot of other things; predominately white, from a particular region, same socioeconomic class, etc., but the media chooses "Christian" because there's an all-out assault on Christianity -- not "religion!" Christianity! When the atheists make fun of people and their "mythical sky gods," do you think they're talking about Muslims? Hell no!

Yes, we're being setup. We have been for years. Obama illustrated this point when he referenced those who "cling to their guns and their Bibles." Did you noticed how the term "Evangelical" was tossed around in the '08 presidential primaries as a derogatory term? The left sees Christians as idiots, but they revere the Muslims. If the basis for this disdain was simply their belief that there is no God, wouldn't they denigrate the Muslims as well? Why don't they? Well, first, they know that the Muslims wouldn't put up with their criticism and they'd be the target of the next fatwa. More importantly, they simply hate Christians. It's personal.

You're absolutely right. I see it every day. I don't know and I don't know anybody else who knows but I think these are the end times. If it's not, we need to take this country back. We need to vote in every election, local, state and national.

 

[TheDan]

When the atheists make fun of people and their "mythical sky gods," do you think they're talking about Muslims?

um... yes, actually. You just hear atheists complaining about Christianity more than other religions because here in the US it's the dominate religion.

BTW, Allah is a moon god, not just some random sky god, lol...

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

um... yes, actually. You just hear atheists complaining about Christianity more than other religions because here in the US it's the dominate religion.

BTW, Allah is a moon god, not just some random sky god, lol...

Technically you're right, but they seldom mention it. They see Christians as a bigger and more immediate threat to their way of life than Muslims. Plus they're too damn chickenshit to do to Muslims the things they do to Christians.

 

[Wolfwood]

speaking of foil hats... google this.

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start watching some of the feeds...

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

speaking of foil hats... google this.

" inurl:view/shtml "

start watching some of the feeds...

Yep. I have several clients who have bought DVRs for their security surveillance systems. The moron companies who install them don't have a clue about firewalls, etc., and put these things on the public side of the network. I then have to move them behind the firewall so they don't show up like these. Scary stuff!!!!