Sapience. Any animals you think could be evolving to basic human like sapience?

[candcallen]

We often confuse sentience with sapience. Most animals, mammals atleast, are sentient but, are any animals besides humans sapient?

Any closing in on that evolutionarily speaking? Elephants? Certain whales or apes?

It's an interesting thought experiment.

Would it make a difference to you, hunting wise, if they were? If certain animals were
Shown to learn to the extent to plan for a future and desire things beyond basic reproduction or survival drives? I think it could be argued some animals might be on the cusp of that evolutionary jump to human like conciousness/sapience. Emphasis on human like for this discussion so as to be clear what were talking about.


Generic Defination from Google.....
Sentience means the ability to feel things, the ability to perceive things. ... The word sentience is often misused to mean a creature that thinks. Sapience means the ability to think, the capacity for intelligence, the ability to acquire wisdom.

 

[glenbo]

We can rule out democrats.

 

[candcallen]

I almost put no jokes about libtards or dems. Lol

 

[mad88minute]

I watched an episode of meateater where some south American tribesman killed and ate a monkey. The host admitted he was sick to his stomach thinking about the fact that monkeys were so intelligent, and close to humans as far as development. He ate it , afraid to offend the men.

It really struck me because I had never thought about that scenario.

I love dogs. They provide a great friendship..... But when I was in Korea I did partake.



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[Younggun]

Idk, “make the jump” in evolutionary terms is a pretty slow process. I don’t think there are any other species that will do so in the next million years or so.


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[jordanmills]

I don't think I'd say most mammals are sentient. Many are, especially larger ones like great apes and elephants.

Dolphins seem to have great potential for remembering, understanding, and planning. I don't think we have good ways of testing that conclusively though. Elephants show signs of memory and nostalgia. When a family member dies, they'll often visit the death site regularly, look at the remains for a while, and sometimes touch them in a way that could be anthropomorphized as fondness. Great apes like bonobos and sometimes gorillas seem to show the cognitive abilities of two to five year old human children in many ways.

As for getting closer to that, I think we're domesticating dogs into it. Cats to a lesser extent, though they're more conditioned to tolerate us than domesticated. Pigs seem close too.

 

[jordanmills]

Idk, “make the jump” in evolutionary terms is a pretty slow process. I don’t think there are any other species that will do so in the next million years or so.


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Humans probably did it in well under a hundred thousand years. There's evidence supporting theories that it happened in the space of two or three thousand years (though the originator readily acknowledges that the evidence is thin, it's hard to prove, and it could easily support other conclusions).

 

[General Zod]

Crows are freaky intelligent and appear to be able to pass information amongst each other, including passing knowledge down to subsequent generations. In experiments this information even included which individual humans were to be avoided and which ones showed kindness - so young crows that had never encountered the humans in question seemed to know which ones might give them food, and which would chase them away.

They've also shown an ability to create and use tools.

 

[TipBledsoe]

So y'all think that all lifeforms including humans have "evolved" into existence? That your long lost relatives were swinging from the trees by their tails, or some other much lower lifeform such as pond scum?

 

[skfullgun]

You folks must be smoking the really good stuff.

 

[TheDan]

Would it make a difference to you, hunting wise, if they were?

If an animal can articulate to me it's self ownership and by taking it's life I would be invalidating the universality of my self ownership, then I would reconsider eating it.

Of course that puts many humans on the menu as well...

 

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[Younggun]

Humans probably did it in well under a hundred thousand years. There's evidence supporting theories that it happened in the space of two or three thousand years (though the originator readily acknowledges that the evidence is thin, it's hard to prove, and it could easily support other conclusions).

Yeah, it’s possible. I think the line is kind of a blurry transition so depending on where the starting line is I can’t really argue with that. There’s probably sort of an exponential increase in change once the ball starts rolling.


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[mad88minute]

So y'all think that all lifeforms including humans have "evolved" into existence? That your long lost relatives were swinging from the trees by their tails, or some other much lower lifeform such as pond scum?

No, not evolved into EXISTENCE. But I do believe species can evolve.

I don't buy into the whole earth is only 3000 years old timeline. We have very limited perspective as mortal humans with an 80yr life span. 1 million years is something completely different to an eternal god.

I do not believe we came from monkies.

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[grumper]

I got a really old slab of cheese in my refrigerator that I'm pretty sure is scheming the demise of humanity.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

I don't follow this so called science.

 

[Younggun]

I got a really old slab of cheese in my refrigerator that I'm pretty sure is scheming the demise of humanity.

Eat it. You might discover you’re right.


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[Younggun]

No, not evolved into EXISTENCE. But I do believe species can evolve.

I don't buy into the whole earth is only 3000 years old timeline. We have very limited perspective as mortal humans with an 80yr life span. 1 million years is something completely different to an eternal god.

I do not believe we came from monkies.

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And not to be picky but…




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[kyletxria1911a1]

I got a really old slab of cheese in my refrigerator that I'm pretty sure is scheming the demise of humanity.

Nuke it into submission

 

[Darkpriest667]

Elephants and Dolphins are on that list for me.