Shotgun law?

[Bithabus]

ATF in 2010 sent out training to FFLs that clarifies the pistol grip shotgun issue. Originally they were treated as pistols by the ATF, at least the inspectors at the San Antonio branch. (That's also an issue ... 20 answers from 20 people). However now they are classified as "other" and must be written down as a "pistol grip firearm".

The pistol grip shotguns are "others" unless the OAL is under 26" (measured with stock extended) and the barrel is 18" or greater, measured with the action closed and a dowel road inserted until it hits the bolt face; from the bolt face to the end of any permanently attached devices (including suppressors / flash hiders / etc.).

If you retain the pistol grip and the length or barrel is reduced below the above limits the gun becomes an "AOW". It is essentially a smooth-bore pistol at that point. Manufacture of an AOW costs $200 (stamp), but transfer of an AOW is $5 (stamp). A properly licensed manufacturer can apply for a taxless manufacture to convert your shotgun into an AOW, and then charge you $5 for the transfer stamp. You cannot put a stock on an AOW registered shotgun, as it then becomes an SBS.

If you stock the shotgun or it has a stock on it and the barrel is under 18" then it becomes an SBS (Short Barrel Shotgun). That's a $200 manufacture stamp.

Question here was the definition under State law.

 

[nalioth]

Question here was the definition under State law.

Texas law nods to federal law on the lengths and definitions and such.

 

[Bithabus]

Texas law nods to federal law on the lengths and definitions and such.

Specifically, the issue of whether a pistol grip short barrel shotgun could be considered a "handgun" in addition to an SBS (under Texas law). Well, that's the issue I'm interested in anyway...

 

[nalioth]

Texas law nods to federal law on the lengths and definitions and such.

Specifically, the issue of whether a pistol grip short barrel shotgun could be considered a "handgun" in addition to an SBS (under Texas law). Well, that's the issue I'm interested in anyway...

There's no such verbiage in the law.

Just one guy here stirrin' it up.

 

[MR Redneck]

ATF in 2010 sent out training to FFLs that clarifies the pistol grip shotgun issue. Originally they were treated as pistols by the ATF, at least the inspectors at the San Antonio branch. (That's also an issue ... 20 answers from 20 people). However now they are classified as "other" and must be written down as a "pistol grip firearm".

The pistol grip shotguns are "others" unless the OAL is under 26" (measured with stock extended) and the barrel is 18" or greater, measured with the action closed and a dowel road inserted until it hits the bolt face; from the bolt face to the end of any permanently attached devices (including suppressors / flash hiders / etc.).

If you retain the pistol grip and the length or barrel is reduced below the above limits the gun becomes an "AOW". It is essentially a smooth-bore pistol at that point. Manufacture of an AOW costs $200 (stamp), but transfer of an AOW is $5 (stamp). A properly licensed manufacturer can apply for a taxless manufacture to convert your shotgun into an AOW, and then charge you $5 for the transfer stamp. You cannot put a stock on an AOW registered shotgun, as it then becomes an SBS.

If you stock the shotgun or it has a stock on it and the barrel is under 18" then it becomes an SBS (Short Barrel Shotgun). That's a $200 manufacture stamp.

This needs to be a sticky for the shotgun thread. Good info.
Im actually not using a pistol grip. Im cutting the origional stock down at the curve and adding a 18" barrel.

 

[nalioth]

This needs to be a sticky for the shotgun thread. Good info.
Im actually not using a pistol grip. Im cutting the origional stock down at the curve and adding a 18" barrel.

Why? It's incomplete (if not wrong in some areas). See post #20

 

[Bithabus]

There's no such verbiage in the law.

Just one guy here stirrin' it up.

Don't know what this means.

 

[nalioth]

There's no such verbiage in the law.

Just one guy here stirrin' it up.

Don't know what this means.

"Verbiage" = "wording".

It means he's twisting the wording of the federal law to mean what he says it means in order to scare people.

 

[MR Redneck]

My guns were not manufactured as "others". I made them short. Im staying with the 18" barrel and 26" overall. I already have a pistol grip gun so this one will have a cut off stock at the curve.

 

[nalioth]

My guns were not manufactured as "others". I made them short. Im staying with the 18" barrel and 26" overall.

To do otherwise requires a tax stamp.



It's a different story with factory PGO shotties.

 

[Bithabus]

"Verbiage" = "wording".

It means he's twisting the wording of the federal law to mean what he says it means in order to scare people.

LOL I know what "verbiage" means. I was addressing a question raised by another member regarding the scope of the "handgun" definition in Texas. Has nothing to do with Federal law. These are not the Droids you're looking for.