So, Admit It, You Want 87,000 More IRS Agents

[ZX9RCAM]

Who here thinks 1100 rounds for an individual to possess is alot?

 

[seeker_two]

Who here thinks 1100 rounds for an individual to possess is alot?

Before or after a range trip?.....

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Before or after a range trip?.....

Either.

 

[cycleguy2300]

I have to agree with @oldag on this. When did the IRS become such a dangerous job that such weapons and amounts of ammo that large are needed? When did tax evaders beome dangerous criminals?

Ever since we lost our freedom during the Whiskey Rebellion...

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[oldag]

I don’t think the ammo budget is out of whack at all. 5 million rounds spread across 4500 firearms is only ~1100 rounds.

For shits and giggles, our annual training ammo budget was just under 11K rounds for the M4 and 2800 rounds for the M9. Per person. At the squadron level, it was just under 3M rounds per year for about 200 guys just for training.

No, that doesn’t include blanks, allocations for qualification, and operational employment requirements.

I would be surprised if they use that many rounds in a year.

 

[Axxe55]

 

[toddnjoyce]

I would be surprised if they use that many rounds in a year.

Ok. I wouldn’t be. Even if there’s only 2,000 gun toters, that’s 2500 rounds/year or 50 rds/week for training, qualification, and operational use. And that’s if there’s only one gun per toter.

We haven’t even talked about anybody going thru FLETC as a new hire yet.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I just got to thinking (scary thought), Ben mentioned only an extremely small number of the 87k would be armed.

ETA: Ninja'd (again).
Still, 2500 rounds is nothing.

 

[TheDan]

Ever since we lost our freedom during the Whiskey Rebellion...

QFT! I've always said that's when the republic started to die.

 

[TheDan]

Who here thinks 1100 rounds for an individual to possess is alot?

They aren't individuals. They are a cog in an institutionalized leftist collective.

If I'm being charitable, they can have one bullet like Barney.

 

[oldag]

Ok. I wouldn’t be. Even if there’s only 2,000 gun toters, that’s 2500 rounds/year or 50 rds/week for training, qualification, and operational use. And that’s if there’s only one gun per toter.

We haven’t even talked about anybody going thru FLETC as a new hire yet.

Do you really think the IRS agents spend that much time practicing? I would be surprised.

 

[General Zod]

Do you really think the IRS agents spend that much time practicing? I would be surprised.

I'd be amazed if it was anything beyond 50 rounds a year to maintain "qualification", just like most police departments. Set a minimum standard and that's all 90% of the organization will bother to do.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I'd be amazed if it was anything beyond 50 rounds a year to maintain "qualification", just like most police departments. Set a minimum standard and that's all 90% of the organization will bother to do.

Their qualification courses of fire and frequency are publicly available. Qual is done in non-consecutive quarters. For pistol, rifle, shotgun, it’s just about 200 rounds total, twice per year for ~400 rounds needed. With a mulligan for each course of fire, that’s just under 800 rounds that have to be budgeted for.

That’s after FLETC, and I’ll hazard to guess half or more of the ammo allocation goes there.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

What's that old saying, "better to have and not need, than need and not have".

 

[General Zod]

Their qualification courses of fire and frequency are publicly available.

Yeah, but I appreciate you looking it up - I just peek in here and toss out replies during the day while I'm working. Going down rabbit holes on the clock is dangerous.

I find it interesting that the IRS, of all agencies, actually requires that much from their armed agents. I wonder when the last time one of their agents legitimately discharged their weapon in the course of their duties was.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

How many police officers never fire their weapon in the course of duty.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Yeah, but I appreciate you looking it up - I just peek in here and toss out replies during the day while I'm working. Going down rabbit holes on the clock is dangerous.

I find it interesting that the IRS, of all agencies, actually requires that much from their armed agents. I wonder when the last time one of their agents legitimately discharged their weapon in the course of their duties was.

That’s a perception problem, I think. Feds don’t have the budget problems states do and generally expect a higher level of demonstrated performance solely to justify their existing budget allocation(s).

 

[oldag]

I would add that the agent I know said he never practices outside of the required qualification. Also never expects to use his gun.

 

[benenglish]

I wonder when the last time one of their agents legitimately discharged their weapon in the course of their duties was.

If the arfcom news video I just watched is accurate, it was 8 times last year.

Plus 11 negligent discharges.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I would add that the agent I know said he never practices outside of the required qualification. Also never expects to use his gun.

I don’t doubt that. I only know how .gov math can result in a “shocker” number.

Remember, my little Air Force squadron was 3M round annually. 15M for my ASOG, close to 50M rounds of 5.56 and 9mm annually for my wing. Let’s call it 10 CAF Wings so that’s half a billion with a b rounds annually as a line item budget. Annually.

90+% of which never gets shot.