Why don't you just take my posts with a grain of potassium nitrate, also known as saltpeter. An additive that goes back to the creation of blackpowder.
So I'm about to load my first true blue for 45acp, behind a 230 grain rn fmj x-treme bullet.
Only thing is that the minimum load from ramshot is 800FPS. That's ok for now but I'd like to make some at around 720FPS later on.
Can it be loaded that light safely?
Not just an additive in blackpowder, it is the oxidizer required for the reaction since neither of the other components can provide their own oxygen. Not so with smokeless powder using nitrocellulose and/or nitroglycerin, in that case it is provides a source of oxygen before the gases exit the barrel and find the oxygen they need. Your opinion on versatility is about the same as all your others.
I like the barley idea, I'm going to do that for sure.[/COLOR]
To be completely honest, I didn't read your entire last post because you've already shown a proclivity for the CYA syndrome.
Enough said, it explains you, your off-topic rambling, and a misunderstanding of the deterrent coatings on powders. Look in the mirror if you want to see what your "comedian" was talking about and keep Google to yourself, I prefer real references from knowledgeable authors.
Potassium sulfate, sodium sulfate, potassium nitrate, barium nitrate, and other salts may be added during the processing of the powder. Nitrate, sulfate, hydrogen sulfide, chloride, and nitrite may appear as a result of the reactions for treating the cellulose to obtain nitrocellulose (Radford Army Ammunition Plant 1987).
Deflagration (Lat: de + flagrare, "to burn down") is a term describing subsonic combustion propagating through heat transfer; hot burning material heats the next layer of cold material and ignites it. Most "fire" found in daily life, from flames to explosions, is deflagration. Deflagration is different from detonation, which is supersonic and propagates through shock waves.
I liked the true blue.
The finer and seemingly less sticky (when emptying the powder hopper) grain was nicer than the power pistol, it shot really well & whilst I've not cleaned the pistols seemed to be shooting pretty clean. There wasn't as big of a flash, pretty close to factory loads.
Glad I bought some & will likely use it again in future.
However, I would like to be able to load closer to 720FPS for .45. You could probably guess from that rather specific number that I'm looking to load for 165 power factor, 125 for 9mm would be great, but that's for another day.
So it sounds like WST, V-V N320 or Vectan Ba 9 1/2 is where I should look. Any differences between these? Or other suggestions?
I'd not considered 200gr over true blue. Interesting idea, might give it a go at some point. I believe the reason for settling on 230 grain was due to having a few issue's with factory 200 & the opportunity for less felt recoil at the same PF (you're right, my plan was to load a little above 165)
So it looks like I'm gonna need to find some vectan ba 9 1/2.
Apologizes for the newby question, but am I right in assuming 'sphericals' to look like power pistol & 'fine cut extruded' to be similar to true blue?
45ACP | TRUE BLUE | 7.5 | . 451 200GR IFP - MGB | LPP - #300 - CCI | GLOCK 21 (45ACP) | OF - 45ACP - GENERIC | 842.3 | 9.1 | 33.3 |
45ACP | TRUE BLUE | 7.8 | . 451 200GR IFP - MGB | LPP - #300 - CCI | GLOCK 21 (45ACP) | OF - 45ACP - GENERIC | 864.3 | 8.4 | 26.6 |
45ACP | TITEGROUP | 4.8 | .451 230GR FMJ - ZERO | LPP - #150 - FEDERAL | FIRESTORM 1911 (45ACP) | OF - 45ACP - GENERIC | 761 | 14.6 | 48.4 |
45ACP | TITEGROUP | 4.7 | .451 230GR FMJ - ZERO | LPP - #150 - FEDERAL | GLOCK 21 (45ACP) | OF - 45ACP - GENERIC | 762.7 | 8.9 | 25.2 |
45ACP | TITEGROUP | 4.7 | .451 230GR FMJ - ZERO | LPP - #300 - CCI | GLOCK 21 (45ACP) | OF - 45ACP - GENERIC | 766.3 | 11.6 | 31 |
45ACP | TITEGROUP | 4.8 | .451 230GR FMJ - ZERO | LPP - #150 - FEDERAL | GLOCK 21 (45ACP) | OF - 45ACP - GENERIC | 766.7 | 13.6 | 49.2 |
45ACP | HP-38 | 5.4 | .451 230GR FMJ - ZERO | LPMP - NCLPM - WOLF | FIRESTORM 1911 (45ACP) | OF - 45ACP - GENERIC | 767.7 | 15.8 | 56.9 |
45ACP | TITEGROUP | 4.2 | .451 230GR FMJ - ZERO | LPMP - NCLPM - WOLF | FIRESTORM 1911 (45ACP) | OF - 45ACP - GENERIC | 682 | 18.3 | 55.5 |
I almost forgot, for posterity in case anyone wants to follow the logical discussion of flash suppression, here is a more apples to apples comparison of a family of powders.
The MSDS sheets for Bullseye, Power Pistol (Bullseye 84), and BE-86 are all identical except that BE-86 contains two substances at less that 1.5%. The first is potassium nitrate and the second is potassium sulfate. BE-86 is the only one claiming to be flash supressed. There are no sidelines about spherical/ball vs. extruded/flake here, they are all extruded flakes within the same line-up. In this case, compared to True Blue, there is the addition of a potassium salt to the mix, but potassium nitrate is also present. It isn't needed in Bullseye or Power Pistol, so its addition to BE-86 points to part of the strategy for reducing that powder's flash in addition to the potassium sulfate.
Do we need to be concerned with flash in competition that takes place in daylight?
I'm not sure why you would go to something like Vectan....I don't have any 230s running that slow with True Blue
Titegroup would be a great powder for what you are doing, it meters extemely well, is very position insensitive, and has a low charge weight for the velocity it provides.., My notes say that it was very mechanical and weak but cycled that 1911 without an issue.
some comp shooters even prefer 230 gr. cast over 200 gr. cast and claim less felt recoil.
That's the problem, I really like true blue but I can't load it low enough with a 230gr projectile, hence the vectan ba 91/2