Type II Diabetes

[vmax]

I would like to start a thread for people who are pre-diabetic or have Type 2 and let people share advice for diet and other ways to reduce or reverse this terrible disease.

I read this today and thought it would be a good idea.

I'm game for discussing any with anyone!

 

[Axxe55]

subbed!

 

[Vaquero]

My oldest daughter was diagnosed a few years back.
Thankfully she had a decent Dr.
She took meds and did a hard core lifestyle change.
2 years of proper diet and exercise took her off the medication and a pretty amazing weight loss. She's pushing 40 and looks mid 20s now.

Lifestyle is a major thing for many "diseases".

ETA. Health wise, she's an inspiration to all our family.

 

[Texasjack]

A couple of things. First you CANNOT CURE Type 2 diabetes until you are able to modify your DNA. You CAN MANAGE Type 2 diabetes through diet and exercise (usually). There are actually more than 2 types of diabetes and some things can get very complicated.

For those who don't know the distinction, Type 1 diabetes happens when your body decides that the cells that make insulin in your pancreas are enemies and it kills them all off. This often happens when people are young, so you sometimes see it referred to as juvenile diabetes. It's a VERY serious disease. During COVID, we lost a neighbor that way. He was in his 20s and got sick. All the clinics were closed and it was nearly impossible to see a doctor or go to the hospital. After he died, they discovered that it was "undiagnosed diabetes". Very sad. Within a year, his father died from a broken heart - and a .38 special.

Type 2 diabetes happens when your cells develop insulin resistance. Classically this was seen in older people (60+) and so it was assumed to be something that happened as you get older. But now they have really good blood glucose monitors and they're finding that many people have Type 2 to some degree all their lives. The reason it used to be found in older people was that they started having the severe damage that high blood glucose does to your body. Type 2 is GENETIC. Diet, exercise, and really solid use of a glucose meter and make a huge world of difference, but you can't cure a genetic disease. Type 2 is also a killer. Of the first 5 of my high school classmates that died, 2 died from Type 2 diabetes and another died from Type 1.

Finally, as much as we all love this forum, there are other forums set up to handle non-gun related issues. I strongly recommend the American Diabetes Association's web site for such forums. They have some great help for people who are newly diagnosed, or having issues, or having to deal with someone in the family that has diabetes issues.

As for me, I'm pretty familiar with all that because Type 2 runs in my family and I had to learn to manage it. I got to be pretty good at it, but then I developed (and survived!) pancreatic cancer. Now things are more complicated, as I have all the issues with Type 2 plus I'm missing that pancreas to make insulin and so I have to inject it. (I'm also missing some other organs, thanks to pancreatic cancer. Bad stuff, I don't recommend going through it.)

 

[vmax]

Many people have reversed Type 2 diabetes..they no longer have the disease..reverse, cure call it what you want
The metabolic syndrom can be restored to normal

Type 2 diabetes doesn't necessarily "run" in a family ..it is more than likely poor diet and lifestyle that causes Type 2 diabetes
Like I mentioned before..genetics can load the gun, but diet and lifestyle pull the trigger

 

[vmax]

 

[mroper]

I am a type 2 and I have been managing it from mainly diet and some exercise. I started out taking Humolog 16 units pre meal and treshiba 60 Units . at night. I now take no Humolog and 16 Units of treshiba. I have lost over 30 pounds around 190 to mid 150s . I mainly cut out carbs and sugar. I used to eat a lot of bread and pasta. I was on a program called Wondr to help me. The biggest takeaways from that are - Only eat when you are hungry. Stop eating when you are full. Avoid sugars.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I only eat when hungry, but it seems I'm always hungry, lol.

 

[benenglish]

I only eat when hungry, but it seems I'm always hungry, lol.

This is the big one for me. I got as fat as I did and got dm because pretty much all of my adult life I was hungry. I'll be concise here since I've gone into more detail elsewhere but for almost all my life I was ravenously hungry. I was starving 100% of the time. I might be so full from a Thanksgiving feast that my belly physically hurt...and I was still so hungry I couldn't stand it.

The new injectable diabetes drugs, starting with Victoza and then moving to Ozempic, broke that cycle. There are actually many hours per day, actually most of them, when I'm not hungry.

Now my doctor is being forced to take me off Ozempic simply because it's not available. It has become so popular that my $25/month cost for the drug has gone to $450/month and I can't hack that.

So, two questions -

• Does anybody have an affordable source for Ozempic?
•  Has anybody else switched from Ozempic to Mounjaro and, if you have, did it act as effectively as an appetite suppressant?

 

[vmax]

So, two questions -

• Does anybody have an affordable source for Ozempic?
•  Has anybody else switched from Ozempic to Mounjaro and, if you have, did it act as effectively as an appetite suppressant?

Ben you can buy semiglutide legally directly from Peptide Sciences website
You have to buy the special water to constitute it with separately and then all you need are insulin needles.
My wife does this and one of some of my clients have. It is the exact same Peptide as the brand names without the prescription.

I firmly believe that semiglutide and the other class of Peptides are going to save thousands of people's lives who cant otherwise get their weight down


Also on the Monjaro, i have another client that went that route
Her doctor had a coupon for it and it only cost about $50/month for the 1st 3 months and it did have a big effect on her appetite
She lost 30 lbs in 4 months and is now on a maintenance does weekly

3rd option on semiglutide, is find a TRT or Hormone specialist in your area.
I can almost guarantee you they have it in house and will sell you the supplies and dosing information
There are 3 doctors in Abilene that currently offer it for sale as a weight loss kit..
No prescription, cash and carry

If you want to discuss it, DM me and I will be glad to tell you what I know.
I have managed 4 clients now who have used it , all with good success and few side effects

Here is one of my clients

5 months on Ozempic

 

[benenglish]

Ben you can...

This is gold. Thank you more than I can express.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Testosterone did nothing to me for weight loss.

 

[vmax]

Testosterone did nothing to me for weight loss.

Most of the time by itself it will do little
You have to introduce resistance training
Testosterone is an anabolic hormone.

A byproduct of that is when the body is in an anabolic state Your metabolism will be much higher your energy levels will be higher And your body will burn more calories at rest.

Most men at the right dosage experience an increased energy level which ends up giving them more energy to move and exercise which results in weight loss

Additionally the more muscle that is added will result in more fat burning.. Muscle requires more energy to sustain itself

 

[bbbass]

I have been a Type II diabetic for 20 yrs and have done a lot of reading/research on it.

I can absolutely guarantee that it is more complicated than "stop eating so much". No, it is not that simple.

Being prone to Type II does come from genetics... no gene for it, you won't get it no matter what you do. "Prediabetic" is BS until they identify the gene and fine a way to test for THAT.

In the early stages, it can be easily reversed by diet and exercise, but one has to maintain that diet and exercise habit for life or it will come back. Once one has reached the need for using injectable insulin, the docs will give up on you being able to reverse it, but IMO you can still make it better.

So... what is wanted out of this thread? All the info is out there, but the medical and the healthnut industries are quite full of misinformation. Consumer beware.

 

[benenglish]

So... what is wanted out of this thread?

Personal stories and sharing info with which we have experience.

I tried some of the diabetes-dedicated forums and mailing lists when I was first diagnosed and found them chock full of self-styled gurus pushing their particular set of viewpoints.

I expect better from this crowd. vmax has already proved that possible.

 

[kbaxter60]

So... what is wanted out of this thread? All the info is out there, but the medical and the healthnut industries are quite full of misinformation.

Information/education, please.
My dad has Type II, and I am relatively sure it's time for me to start watching the diet. I would have said I was pre-diabetic, but would now say my diet is increasingly affecting the way I feel.
The wife is already on the keto diet and I think mine needs to more closely resemble her diet.
The info already posted here is good stuff.

 

[mroper]

This is the big one for me. I got as fat as I did and got dm because pretty much all of my adult life I was hungry. I'll be concise here since I've gone into more detail elsewhere but for almost all my life I was ravenously hungry. I was starving 100% of the time. I might be so full from a Thanksgiving feast that my belly physically hurt...and I was still so hungry I couldn't stand it.

The new injectable diabetes drugs, starting with Victoza and then moving to Ozempic, broke that cycle. There are actually many hours per day, actually most of them, when I'm not hungry.

Now my doctor is being forced to take me off Ozempic simply because it's not available. It has become so popular that my $25/month cost for the drug has gone to $450/month and I can't hack that.

So, two questions -

• Does anybody have an affordable source for Ozempic?
•  Has anybody else switched from Ozempic to Mounjaro and, if you have, did it act as effectively as an appetite suppressant?

What about Trulicity or Victoza it is the same class of drugs.

 

[mroper]

I only eat when hungry, but it seems I'm always hungry, lol.

I thought that too. I guess some of the vidoes from the program helped with that. I found out that I was eating when I was bored not really hungry.

 

[benenglish]

What about Trulicity or Victoza it is the same class of drugs.

Victoza helped. I had been yo-yoing between 330 and 380 pounds for years when I started Victoza. It seemed to help me stabilize at 330.

Then the switch to Ozempic finally fully tamed my hunger. I'm at 239 right now and I credit 99% of the last 50 pounds to Ozempic.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Victoza helped. I had been yo-yoing between 330 and 380 pounds for uears when I started Victoza. It seemed to help me stabilize at 330.

Then the switch to Ozempic finally tamed my hunger. I'm at 239 right now and I credit 99% of the last 50 pounds to Ozempic.

That's incredible Ben!