UT panel unveils recommendations for campus carry gun policy

[Dash Riprock]

Forgive my ignorance, but can a 30.06 be posted on government property?

I suspect you know this already, but here goes.

There are some limited circumstances where a 30.06 sign is legally permissible and valid on government property. For example, government meetings are allowed to be individually posted under certain conditions.

Certain government property is statutorily off limits already, such as courthouses, the secured portions of correctional facilities, and professional sporting events held on government property. While these locations are off-limits by statute, redundant and unnecessary 30.06 signs are often posted by local officials who are ignorant of the law.

College campuses - which is the subject of this thread - have been and continue to be governed by a different set of rules as respects concealed carry. We are in somewhat uncharted territory with respect to what colleges can and cannot do in the context of where the Legislature might allow the line to be drawn, and how it might be enforced.

So, the answer to your question generally is "yes, under certain circumstances as allowed by law". The answer to your question specifically as it relates to MReed's post is "I seriously doubt it, but we don't know yet".

 

[bdee]

I suspect you know this already, but here goes.

There are some limited circumstances where a 30.06 sign is legally permissible and valid on government property. For example, government meetings are allowed to be individually posted under certain conditions.

Certain government property is statutorily off limits already, such as courthouses, the secured portions of correctional facilities, and professional sporting events held on government property. While these locations are off-limits by statute, redundant and unnecessary 30.06 signs are often posted by local officials who are ignorant of the law.

College campuses - which is the subject of this thread - have been and continue to be governed by a different set of rules as respects concealed carry. We are in somewhat uncharted territory with respect to what colleges can and cannot do in the context of where the Legislature might allow the line to be drawn, and how it might be enforced.

So, the answer to your question generally is "yes, under certain circumstances as allowed by law". The answer to your question specifically as it relates to MReed's post is "I seriously doubt it, but we don't know yet".

No, I really don't. I come from Georgia, been here since August, and this signage system has me puzzled. I was told in another thread that under no circumstances could one post this signage on government property, so I don't know who to believe.

In Georgia, you can post whatever sign you damn well want, but they don't have the force of law. A business owner can ask you to leave, and if you refuse you can be charged with trespassing, but that's it. So giving an individual business owner the power to decide what is a felony seems crazy to me.

 

[Dash Riprock]

No, I really don't. I come from Georgia, been here since August, and this signage system has me puzzled. I was told in another thread that under no circumstances could one post this signage on government property, so I don't know who to believe.

In Georgia, you can post whatever sign you damn well want, but they don't have the force of law. A business owner can ask you to leave, and if you refuse you can be charged with trespassing, but that's it. So giving an individual business owner the power to decide what is a felony seems crazy to me.

OK, I'll take your word for it. You seem to be somewhat trollish on other threads and perhaps I misinterpreted your intent.

You initially asked about government property, and the answer is, basically, it depends. For the most part they can't, but as I noted above there are exceptions specified in the law, and colleges have always been under different rules. If you want to throw in private businesses, that's a different discussion.

Outside of the specified exceptions, the law did not recognize 30.06 signs on government property as valid. However, until September 1, 2015, there were no consequences or penalties in place to prevent local governments from posting 30.06 signs whether they were legally enforceable or not. Consequently, many local governments posted or allowed to be posted 30.06 signs on otherwise unenforceble locations, essentially flipping the bird to the Legislature because there was heretofore no enforcement mechanism. Now there is, and it remains to be seen what and how the Attorney General will handle this. Thus far, he hasn't take any action as far as I know even though there are still some government properties - the Ft. Worth and Houston zoos come to mind - that refuse to follow the law and take down the signs. So we'll see.

 

[Younggun]

No, I really don't. I come from Georgia, been here since August, and this signage system has me puzzled. I was told in another thread that under no circumstances could one post this signage on government property, so I don't know who to believe.

In Georgia, you can post whatever sign you damn well want, but they don't have the force of law. A business owner can ask you to leave, and if you refuse you can be charged with trespassing, but that's it. So giving an individual business owner the power to decide what is a felony seems crazy to me.

Business owners don't decide what is a felony. State law handles that.


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[Shotgun Jeremy]

Yes. 30.06/.07 is completely unnecessary there, too, through 2017.

Yea, that's what I thought.

 

[Mreed911]

Final "orders" out today from the UT President:

https://utexas.app.box.com/campus-carry-report

 

[itchin]

No, I really don't. I come from Georgia, been here since August, and this signage system has me puzzled. I was told in another thread that under no circumstances could one post this signage on government property, so I don't know who to believe.

In Georgia, you can post whatever sign you damn well want, but they don't have the force of law. A business owner can ask you to leave, and if you refuse you can be charged with trespassing, but that's it. So giving an individual business owner the power to decide what is a felony seems crazy to me.

On this forum you say you're from Southern California.:


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[Mreed911]

I started to list out the policies, but it's a long document. I'll be interested to see how this develops. Note that the policies apply to faculty and staff and impose no additional burden on the visiting public (and in some cases do nothing more than requiring already-required signage, such as 51% notices).

 

[Hoji]

Final "orders" out today from the UT President:

https://utexas.app.box.com/campus-carry-report

If carrying a semi auto, can not have a round chambered. What would the penalty be if you had one chambered?

 

[Mreed911]

If carrying a semi auto, can not have a round chambered. What would the penalty be if you had one chambered?

Violation of the student code of conduct. Applies to students and faculty.

 

[TheDan]

POLICY STATEMENT | NO. 10
The concealed carry of handguns should be prohibited in patient-care areas, including those in which professional mental health services are provided.

There are licensed counselors in quite a few of the offices around campus. That sure does cut out a lot of places.

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

The college I work at is starting to look at these policies and is holding open forums. The last forum, someone brought up the point that regulating what condition the firearm is carried is kind of dumb. How is anyone supposed to know without PD asking the license holder to handle the firearm? Everyone seemed in agreement with that. The general agreement regarding restrictions seems to be "less is best". Yes, they even started looking to UT for advice, but didn't like a lot of what UT is doing.

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[zincwarrior]

Violation of the student code of conduct. Applies to students and faculty.

Instalawsuit win if the university tried something...


Now, more importantly,

I grew up in SoCal, but Monterrey/Santa Cruz is one of the most beautiful spots on Earth.

This is a true statement. Even with all the people, its absolutely gorgeous. Also incredibly expensive.

 

[duckknot]

people incredibly expensive.

The two biggest problems with the communist republic!

The fact that a Texas college is setting out groundrules for carrying a gun shows how much influence the commieland is bringing here!

The students and masters....*cough* I mean professors they interview on the news about this are mostly an embarrassment to humanity! I saw the first pro gun students I've ever seen interviewed on the news last night....good to know there are a few left!

 

[Mreed911]

The fact that a Texas college is setting out groundrules for carrying a gun shows how much influence the commieland is bringing here!

Uh, no, it shows they're doing the job the legislature set before them when they passed Campus Carry.

These have NO effect on the general public who carries concealed on the college. Only faculty/staff/students, and only at the policy level (not criminal law).

 

[duckknot]

Uh, no, it shows they're doing the job the legislature set before them when they passed Campus Carry.

You missed my point.

The fact that a Texas college has to define rules for carrying a gun (in this case because the lawmakers said so) shows that Texas lawmakers dont feel that Texans are capable of acting responsibly (what other state does that sound like?)

I am still perplexed at how unfriendly laws are towards gun owners in Texas.....never even thought that would be the case when I moved here!

 

[Mreed911]

The fact that a Texas college has to define rules for carrying a gun (in this case because the lawmakers said so) shows that Texas lawmakers dont feel that Texans are capable of acting responsibly (what other state does that sound like?)

No, it reflects the amount of pushback expected, so it was created as a safety valve. Colleges get to have some say in where firearms are prohibited (for safety reasons, such as chem labs, MRI's, etc.) and how their employees and students can carry (like any other business), but there's no additional legal encumbrance on the carrying citizen who just happens to be on campus.

Apart from some possible 30.06 signage in prohibited areas, this is MORE places folks can carry, not less, and is an incremental win (or will be in August for 4-year schools, then next year for 2-year schools).

 

[TheDan]

No, it reflects the amount of pushback expected

Which is ridiculous because there is still pushback. Saw a bunch of people on the news last night bashing Fenves for allowing guns in too many places, but when you read the guidelines they are obviously restricted in most places. Trying to placate these people is foolish.

 

[duckknot]

Which is ridiculous because there is still pushback. Saw a bunch of people on the news last night bashing Fenves for allowing guns in too many places, but when you read the guidelines they are obviously restricted in most places. Trying to placate these people is foolish.

And impossible.....anyone else ever notice that the libtatds are never happy? Always something to carry on about, no compromise!

 

[zincwarrior]

I've noticed that about extremists of any color. I think its part of the job description, or may be why they become extremists.