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which stamp for this type of weapon?

Discussion in 'Class III / NFA' started by SHTF, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. SHTF

    SHTF New Member

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    I was looking at some combination 12 gauge / rifle options. This is an over/under type, not barrel swaps. so it would have a smooth bore AND a rifled barrel at the same time.

    If you were to cut the weapon down to like 9" barrel lengths, and put a pistol grip on. what would it be called according to the ATF? would it even be legal?
     


  2. vmax

    vmax TGT Addict TGT Supporter

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    If you register as a manufacturer, that's $1000 per year I think. That's about the only way you can produce an NFA firearm
     
  3. TheDan

    TheDan 4th Best Member TGT Supporter

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    Negative... that's what a form1 is for


    As for the cut down 12 gauge/rifle, I'm not sure. I'm betting they would make you pay twice for an SBS and an SBR :laughing:
     
  4. SHTF

    SHTF New Member

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    my curiosity with this come from the X caliber system of rifled inserts. I would have one interesting gun that would shoot
    .22LR, 38s, .357, 9mm, 45acp, 45LC, .410, 12ga, .40, .44mag, 20ga, .223/5.56, 7.62x39, .308

    Plus a choice of one of the following if I went for a Sabatti Master:
    9.3x74R • 8x57JRS • 7x65R • 7x57R • 6.5x68R • 6.5x57R • 6.5x55SE • 5.6x57R • 5.6x50R Mag. • 22 Hornet • 30-06 Spring • 270 Win. • 25-06 Rem. • 243 Win. • 22-250 Rem. • 222 Rem. Mag. • 222 Rem.

    One gun to shoot them all. (just not as well) granted the cost of a combo gun is expensive just to gain one extra caliber.
     
  5. cconn

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    Don't take this the wrong way, but if you are not familiar with NFA laws, please don't offer advice in the NFA forum.

    A person can build SBR, SBS, silencers themselves on a form 1. I have built 3 SBRs myself.

    I have no idea if this would be a SBR, SBS, or AOW.
     
  6. grumper

    grumper Well-Known

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    If it ever had a stock on it you'd have to register it as both a SBR and SBS before cutting the barrels that short.

    No different than building a 14.5" barrel M4 clone with a Masterkey or M26 shotgun mounted underneath.

    You can only make AOWs from receivers/frames that never had a stock attached.
     
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  7. SHTF

    SHTF New Member

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    is it possible to order without the stocks?
     
  8. grumper

    grumper Well-Known

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    If you can get one straight from the manufacturer with no stock.

    But the Form 1 making tax is still $200 for an AOW, it's $5 to transfer but $200 to build a brand new one. You may as well just make them SBR and SBS so you have the option of adding a stock later.
     
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  9. Acera

    Acera TGT Addict

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    Very interesting question/dilemma, subscribed.

    My best guess would be it's an AOW. That is the designation that was given to the M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon by the feds in it's original 14 inch .22 Hornet/.410 configuration.

    Might be a good question to send a letter to the BATF to get an answer on.

    I like the idea of a combo gun with a rifle barrel and a 12 gauge barrel. Hopefully since the rifle barrel will be an insert, they will only say you need a stamp based on the host gun (shotgun) and you get a fee-less ok on the rifled barrel, or just an AOW stamp.
     
  10. SHTF

    SHTF New Member

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    it's two barrels. o/u config. one is shotgun, one rifle. then there are additional inserts for the shotgun bqarrel.
     


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