White House Finalizes Proposal To Expand Background Checks On Gun Sales

[AustinN4]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ound-checks-proposal_5669c2d3e4b009377b24274a

 

[Jakashh]

502 bad gateway

 

[AustinN4]

502 bad gateway

When I click on the above link it opens for me.

From above link:

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's advisers are finalizing a proposal that would expand background checks on gun sales without congressional approval."

 

[Mreed911]

502 bad gateway

That's on your end.

 

[Major Kong]

What a narcissistic shmuck.

Sent from a B-52 flying over Russia.

 

[tired of sht]

Gov. of Conn. Just announced that by his executive order anyone in Conn. on the fed. watchlist, would be prevented to purchase any firearms, and those with permits already would be revoked.

 

[Mreed911]

Gov. of Conn. Just announced that by his executive order anyone in Conn. on the fed. watchlist, would be prevented to purchase any firearms, and those with permits already would be revoked.

Should be interesting. At least we can make better FOIA requests for the contents of the watchlist, and get some challenges going in court for due process.

 

[TheDan]

I didn't see any actual details... did I miss them? Since all I can go on is wild speculation, I'm guessing all he can really do is direct NICS to also check the no fly list?

 

[AustinN4]

Gov. of Conn. Just announced that by his executive order anyone in Conn. on the fed. watchlist, would be prevented to purchase any firearms, and those with permits already would be revoked.

Not sure if it is true, but I have heard Ted Kennedy was on the no fly list.
I already knew his car was dangerous.

ETA: Perhaps not: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/ted-kennedy-and-the-no-fly-list-myth/

 

[Southpaw]

502 bad gateway

That's sounds about right. I predict ths EO will be the same. A dead end gesture that changes nothing.

 

[Southpaw]

Gov. of Conn. Just announced that by his executive order anyone in Conn. on the fed. watchlist, would be prevented to purchase any firearms, and those with permits already would be revoked.

It's been that way in New Jersey for some time now. I wonder what took CT so long.

 

[Mreed911]

It's been that way in New Jersey for some time now. I wonder what took CT so long.

Cite? I wasn't aware anyone had the ability to check the no-fly list.

 

[Southpaw]

Should be interesting. At least we can make better FOIA requests for the contents of the watchlist, and get some challenges going in court for due process.

I didn't see any actual details... did I miss them? Since all I can go on is wild speculation, I'm guessing all he can really do is direct NICS to also check the no fly list?

This latest announcement doesn't mention the "Terro Watchlist", just private sales. Or am I missing somerthing?

 

[Mreed911]

This latest announcement doesn't mention the "Terro Watchlist", just private sales. Or am I missing somerthing?

You're missing something.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/n...ales-to-those-on-federal-terrorism-lists.html

From http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/12/connecticut-guns-no-fly-list/419919/

Malloy said the order will go into effect once the White House, with which he has been working on the policy, grants the state access to some of the government’s watch lists. These include the no-fly list, a roster of about 10,000 people who are barred from flying at U.S. airports because the government believes they may have ties to terrorism. The no-fly list is itself controversial, leading to, as my colleague David Graham has reported, “confusion, false positives, and outrage.” Many innocent people have been placed on the list, and those on it discover their inclusion only when they try to fly.

 

[tired of sht]

All in violation of the 2nd,5th and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

 

[Mreed911]

All in violation of the 2nd,5th and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

Now we wait the two years for that to wind through the courts.

 

[TheDan]

All in violation of the 2nd,5th and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

Now we wait the two years for that to wind through the courts.

...and under the 11th they can just dismiss the case.

 

[Southpaw]

Cite? I wasn't aware anyone had the ability to check the no-fly list.

Fededral Watchlist, not solely "No-fly" list.

https://legiscan.com/NJ/drafts/A3687/2012

Bill Title: Disqualifies person named on federal Terrorist Watchlist from obtaining firearms identification card or permit to purchase handgun.

Spectrum: Partisan Bill (Democrat 14-0)

Status: (Passed) 2013-08-08 - Approved P.L.2013, c.114. [A3687 Detail]

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/AL13/114_.HTM

P.L.2013, CHAPTER 114, approved August 8, 2013
Assembly, No. 3687 (Second Reprint)



An Act concerning firearms and amending N.J.S.2C:58-3.

Be It Enacted by the Senate and General Assembly of the State of New Jersey:

1. N.J.S.2C:58-3 is amended to read as follows:
2C:58-3. a. Permit to purchase a handgun. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of, nor receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a handgun unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or has first secured a permit to purchase a handgun as provided by this section.
b. Firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of nor receive, purchase or otherwise acquire an antique cannon or a rifle or shotgun, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, and first exhibits said card to the seller, donor, transferor or assignor, and unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder signs a written certification, on a form prescribed by the superintendent, which shall indicate that he presently complies with the requirements of subsection c. of this section and shall contain his name, address and firearms purchaser identification card number or dealer's registration number. The said certification shall be retained by the seller, as provided in paragraph (4) of subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:58-2, or, in the case of a person who is not a dealer, it may be filed with the chief of police of the municipality in which he resides or with the superintendent.
c. Who may obtain. No person of good character and good repute in the community in which he lives, and who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in this section or other sections of this chapter, shall be denied a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, except as hereinafter set forth. No handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card shall be issued:
(1) To any person who has been convicted of any crime, or a disorderly persons offense involving an act of domestic violence as defined in section 3 of P.L.1991, c.261 (C.2C:25-19), whether or not armed with or possessing a weapon at the time of such offense;
(2) To any drug dependent person as defined in section 2 of P.L.1970, c.226 (C.24:21-2), to any person who is confined for a mental disorder to a hospital, mental institution or sanitarium, or to any person who is presently an habitual drunkard;
(3) To any person who suffers from a physical defect or disease which would make it unsafe for him to handle firearms, to any person who has ever been confined for a mental disorder, or to any alcoholic unless any of the foregoing persons produces a certificate of a medical doctor or psychiatrist licensed in New Jersey, or other satisfactory proof, that he is no longer suffering from that particular disability in such a manner that would interfere with or handicap him in the handling of firearms; to any person who knowingly falsifies any information on the application form for a handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card;
(4) To any person under the age of 18 years for a firearms purchaser identification card and to any person under the age of 21 years for a permit to purchase a handgun;
(5) To any person where the issuance would not be in the interest of the public health, safety or welfare [SUP]2[/SUP][[SUP]1[/SUP]. In determining whether the issuance of a handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card is in the interest of the public health, safety or welfare the chief of police of an organized full-time police department of the municipality where the applicant resides or the superintendent may consider whether a criminal history background check revealed that the applicant was named on the consolidated Terrorist Watchlist maintained by the Terrorist Screening Center administered by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and whether the applicant’s inclusion on the list, when considered with other information provided by the applicant, would justify denying a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card to the applicant[SUP]1[/SUP]][SUP]2[/SUP];

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ss...eaves_controversial_measures_on_his_desk.html

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on August 08, 2013 at 2:39 PM, updated August 09, 2013 at 8:13 AM



TRENTON — ............snip.........
The package of bills Christie signed yesterday had for the most part sailed through the Legislature with bipartisan support and without inflaming supporters or opponents of gun control.
Scott Bach, executive of the New Jersey Association of Rifle and Pistol Clubs, said although his group opposed two bills Christie signed, they were not the top priority.
“We are most concerned about what the governor will do on three bills on which he took no action today,” Bach said. “The Sweeney ‘kitchen sink’ bill that attacks gun rights and does nothing to prevent crime; a ban on $10,000 rifles used by wealthy hobbyists; and a bill that would mandate that the State Police disclose law enforcement data in violation of federal law.”
Staking out an opposing position in the gun debate, the group New Jerseyans for Safety from Gun Violence issued a statement saying Christie’s signature on the 10 measures “is certainly a step in the right direction.”
“But make no mistake about it,” the group added, “it is only a step ... he must complete the task before him and sign the remaining gun violence prevention bills on his desk.”
Most of the gun bills were introduced after the shooting deaths of 20 elementary schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., in December.
The most far-reaching measures Christie signed would tighten New Jersey’s gun laws:
• Upgrade the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm to a first-degree crime. The unlawful possession of machine guns, handguns and assault firearms had been a second-degree crime and third-degree offense in the case of rifles and shotguns. The bill would also increase mandatory minimum sentences for such offenses by six months. (S2804).
• Make the crime of firearms trafficking subject to the No Early Release Act, which requires offenders to serve at least 85 percent of their terms. The bill (S2468) also requires authorities to seize cars used to smuggle weapons into the state and increases penalties to at least 18 months in prison for dealers who knowingly sell guns to customers disqualified from possessing them.
• Allow authorities to impound cars if an occupant illegally possesses a weapon. The bill (S2468) also allows authorities to impound cars used in cases of prostitution and buying or selling illegal drugs.
• Increase penalties for those who unlawfully sell or give a gun to an underage person from a third-degree crime to second-degree offense with a minimum mandatory prison sentence of five years. (S1279).
• Disqualify people on the federal terrorist watch list from owning guns, which is the only gun-related bill (A3687) Christie has commented on.

 

[zincwarrior]

Not sure if it is true, but I have heard Ted Kennedy was on the no fly list.
I already knew his car was dangerous.

ETA: Perhaps not: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/ted-kennedy-and-the-no-fly-list-myth/

That was the No Drive list.

 

[Southpaw]

You're missing something.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/11/n...ales-to-those-on-federal-terrorism-lists.html

From http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/12/connecticut-guns-no-fly-list/419919/

And this would effect Conneticut only. Your mention of you having the abiility to make an FOIA request seemed like you where talking about this in a federal sense.
Also Dan mentioned redirecting NICS to check no fly list. The EO mentioned in the OP has nothing to do with that either.