txinvestigator
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What? I was nice. The BATFE is only allowed to inspect during the listed business hours of the FFL.
why does Academy want me to come in about my paperwork for a gun i bought months ago
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What? I was nice. The BATFE is only allowed to inspect during the listed business hours of the FFL.
Agree 100%!
txinvestigator
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went in and had to initial a correction i made on the date ..apparently writing in military format (example 19 jun 13 ) is unacceptable and if you line it out it needs to be initialed ...i did explain that this was their mistake for not telling me this and i had to use up gas to come in and fix this and i would really like a gift card or a discount on the purchase of a light for my bed gun ..sadly this didnt happen
All mine have been cool and friendly. They call ahead to make sure I will be there and we setup a time. I actually wish they would come on a regular schedule so I could keep up with what is going on, I learn quite a bit from talking to them about the latest developments.
With that said, when I got my FFL I made some rookie mistakes. Fortunately I self-audited and caught them, but one after customer left premises. I sent letter to customer, he signed what needed to be signed, sent it back. I made it as easy as possible with explanation, sticky where to sign, and SASE to send it back.
I suggest you go in and find out what it is about, and help them out.
why does Academy want me to come in about my paperwork for a gun i bought mont
Unless I thinks it's going to cost someone a job, I usually let them deal with their own mistakes. If it means me making a special trip.
I went to a Wendy's once, and paid with a 10 dollar bill, she handed me 8 dollars back (an extra 5).
So I looked at it told her this is the wrong change, and gave it back. (In Spanish no English for this lady)
She then proceeded to add another 10 bucks to the change.
So I handed it back, told her, she neede to give me 3.xx cents in change (in Spanish again). Then she proceeded to put another 10 bucks in the change.
So I gave up.
Unless I thinks it's going to cost someone a job, I usually let them deal with their own mistakes. If it means me making a special trip.
I went to a Wendy's once, and paid with a 10 dollar bill, she handed me 8 dollars back (an extra 5).
So I looked at it told her this is the wrong change, and gave it back. (In Spanish no English for this lady)
She then proceeded to add another 10 bucks to the change.
So I handed it back, told her, she neede to give me 3.xx cents in change (in Spanish again). Then she proceeded to put another 10 bucks in the change.
So I gave up.
ShootingTheBull
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There are no instructions on the 4473 for the format of the date in the "certification date" section. He didn't commit any perjury, as there was no specification as to what format the date should be written in. Look it up yourself to see; member "Shorts" posted the link to a PDF of the form, here: http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf
The portion in question is "certification date", box 17 on page 2.
Or are you saying it's "perjury" because he corrected the original form?
In either case, the store is clearly at fault. He filled in the date, in a legible format, and there were no instructions to the contrary, so if the store thought the date format was wrong they should have pointed it out while he was at the store.
And if the store didn't want him correcting/initialing the date, they should have told him so. There are no instructions on the form that say you can't initial it.
The portion in question is "certification date", box 17 on page 2.
Or are you saying it's "perjury" because he corrected the original form?
In either case, the store is clearly at fault. He filled in the date, in a legible format, and there were no instructions to the contrary, so if the store thought the date format was wrong they should have pointed it out while he was at the store.
And if the store didn't want him correcting/initialing the date, they should have told him so. There are no instructions on the form that say you can't initial it.
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I know for a fact 4473s have been signed and dated using the military format without an issue.
Considering the FFL/seller was Academy, a big box consumer sports & outdoors store, depending on the type of person that was at the counter and who's in charge of the FFL responsibilities, I'm going out on a limb to say Academy got nervous.
Considering the FFL/seller was Academy, a big box consumer sports & outdoors store, depending on the type of person that was at the counter and who's in charge of the FFL responsibilities, I'm going out on a limb to say Academy got nervous.
Yes, stated that in post #32:
With that said, I am unaware of any requirement the date be in a certain format.
Perjury, falsification, whatever. The fact remains, he conspired with FFL to change the document after the fact, and that is a Federal violation. Of course he had no criminal intent (as opposed to changing the name or something) so nobody is going to come after him, but the FFL can certainly be hit with a violation, and many have.
He didn't commit federal perjury.
