Why laws - SBR/suppressor

[Saltyag2010]

Renegade - good point. I agree with you and young gun entirely but this post isn't about machine guns. It's about SBR and suppressor regulations. Let's start there first.

 

[grumper]

I believe some of the things you mention are considered a destructive device and must be stamped and built by only licensed individuals.


Maybe I misunderstood.

Yes they are. But individuals can still submit Form 1s to build destructive devices.

So under current law (aka MG ban):
Form 1 155mm artillery shell = A OK
Form 1 Ruger 10/22 select-fire = satan

Absurd isn't it?

 

[Vaquero]

Renegade - good point. I agree with you and young gun entirely but this post isn't about machine guns. It's about SBR and suppressor regulations. Let's start there first.

Post #6.
You mentioned machine gun first.

 

[Younggun]

Yes they are. But individuals can still submit Form 1s to build destructive devices.

So under current law (aka MG ban):
Form 1 155mm artillery shell = A OK
Form 1 Ruger 10/22 select-fire = satan

Absurd isn't it?

Lol.


Ok, I gotcha.

 

[Renegade]

Renegade - good point. I agree with you and young gun entirely but this post isn't about machine guns. It's about SBR and suppressor regulations. Let's start there first.

You are the one who mentioned machine guns.

OK. I am in favor of regulating all guns at the same level. So either SBR/Suppressor get unregulated like a 10/22, or they get banned like a Machine Gun.

 

[kabob]

How do you explain the complete lack of accidents in all the decades prior to the ban?

There are actually more documented accidents with MGs since 1986 then before, mostly IMO due to the forbidden fruit nature. And fatal accidents kills far more people every year. Your logic is completely backward with reality.

Because our dads' and grandfathers' generation were just plain more responsible. You guys haven't noticed an increase in the stupids starting around the 90s? Buncha no-responsibility-taking entitled folks that see firearms as toys and not the dangerous tools to be respected that they really are.

Look guys, I really, truly want the '86 Hughes Amendment overturned. I don't like the NFA and like even less the $1000+ I've had to piss away to the gov for my half-dozen SBRs and suppressors. But if unflinching lack of compromise will never allow that to happen. All you're doing is pissing and moaning into the wind. Our legislators at the Fed and state level will only be amenable to some sort of compromise if they're going to ease up on bans.

 

[Renegade]

Yes they are. But individuals can still submit Form 1s to build destructive devices.

So under current law (aka MG ban):
Form 1 155mm artillery shell = A OK
Form 1 Ruger 10/22 select-fire = satan



Absurd isn't it?

Actually you can legally build a fully functional tank, but you cannot make a 10/22 MG.

 

[kabob]

We are talking federal law, not Texas.

You're right, that's a faulty example. But my point is that unlikely that we're ever going to see an all-or-nothing approach to firearms laws succeed with the far left in this day and age. Too much social media, instant news, and moral outrage by opponents of firearms.

 

[Das Jared]

This thread is getting hijacked.

This is is supposed to be about the regulations on SBRs and compensators.
Machine guns are cool but that a different thread.

Lets get back to the original topic.
Grumper - please don't make a flamethrower unless it's gonna be awesome and you post pics.

Wtf do you mean "compensators"? Those aren't regulated... do you mean sound suppression devices aka suppressors aka silencers??

sent from Jennifer Lawrence's bedroom

 

[Younggun]

I think the best way to deal with NFA is to chip away at it slowly, just as has been done with out rights.


For starters, get rid of the "Pre '86" BS. As it stands, that is basically a very slow path to a total ban. Those guns won't last forever.

SBR/SBS is right up there with it. Maybe should be done first. Tough call.

Keep chipping away, getting a little back every few years till there's nothing left. That's how they took our rights, that's how we'll get them back.

 

[Saltyag2010]

Post #6.
You mentioned machine gun first.

T-fast mentioned it first in like the third or second post.
I'm kinda coming around to the idea of mg being regulated like normal firearms as long as SBRs and compensators go the same way.
i just don't really want a mg unless it's a 22 or one if those badass stainless steel shotguns now. That sounds like the shit.

 

[Saltyag2010]

I think the best way to deal with NFA is to chip away at it slowly, just as has been done with out rights.


For starters, get rid of the "Pre '86" BS. As it stands, that is basically a very slow path to a total ban. Those guns won't last forever.

SBR/SBS is right up there with it. Maybe should be done first. Tough call.

Keep chipping away, getting a little back every few years till there's nothing left. That's how they took our rights, that's how we'll get them back.

Awesome. Just awesome post.

 

[Saltyag2010]

Wtf do you mean "compensators"? Those aren't regulated... do you mean sound suppression devices aka suppressors aka silencers??

sent from Jennifer Lawrence's bedroom

my bad. That slipped. I meant suppressors. Glad you called me out on that.

 

[kabob]

I think the best way to deal with NFA is to chip away at it slowly, just as has been done with out rights.


For starters, get rid of the "Pre '86" BS. As it stands, that is basically a very slow path to a total ban. Those guns won't last forever.

SBR/SBS is right up there with it. Maybe should be done first. Tough call.

Keep chipping away, getting a little back every few years till there's nothing left. That's how they took our rights, that's how we'll get them back.

Good points all around.

 

[Vaquero]

T-fast mentioned it first in like the third or second post.
I'm kinda coming around to the idea of mg being regulated like normal firearms as long as SBRs and compensators go the same way.
i just don't really want a mg unless it's a 22 or one if those badass stainless steel shotguns now. That sounds like the shit.

I stand corrected regarding the mg mention.

As far as what you or I want or need. Completely irrelevant.
The Bill of Rights has been compromised. What we want today may be what we need tomorrow.
When it gets ugly, the anti gun people are going to want one like we've got.
We're going to need full autos. Any infringement of the 2nd Amendment is a step toward oppression of the common people.

 

[hellishhorses]

I love these threads

 

[IXLR8]

Wtf do you mean "compensators"? Those aren't regulated... do you mean sound suppression devices aka suppressors aka silencers??

sent from Jennifer Lawrence's bedroom

And I thought a "compensator" was a Corvette owner...

 

[Das Jared]

and i thought a "compensator" was a corvette...

lool

 

[PhulesAu]

And I thought a "compensator" was a Corvette...

Are you sure it's not a hummer??

 

[Mike1234567]

No... we need none of those rules/laws.