Worldwide Erosion of Gun Rights

[zembonez]

At the risk of setting off a ten megaton bomb right off the bat, let's discuss gun regulations on a global scale. WOO HOO!

As much as we might not like it, Let's keep politics out of this discussion as much as humanly possible. We all know what the various "left and right" parties stand for. No sense in beating that poor dead horse again. Besides, this is really bigger than that and far more serious.

FACT:

Guns as we know them could easily become a thing of the past in our lifetimes if many organizations have their way. In spite of of huge increases in their post ban crime rates, the gun control advocates in many countries stand by their belief that making handguns illegal will somehow stop crime... Logic is not their strong suit, but they have a lot of help.

It's an uphill battle at this point. Media outlets ominously label anything pro gun as the evil "Gun Lobby" as if we are trying to force feed live grenades to baby seals or throw babies off of Niagara Falls. (neither of which could be TOTALLY dismissed as a bad idea) Well funded lobbyists constantly bombard Washington with anti-gun sentiment and agendas.

I believe we have to think globally and act locally if we want to stem the inevitable tide of new gun "regulations". The key word here is "WE".

Is this site a good starting point for Texas gun owners?

What say ye? The floor is yours.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

On the one hand, the nice thing is that nearly all of the statistics out there, facts, records of incidents involving guns, etc almost always are in support of gun owners. If you look at the history of areas in this country where strict gun legislation has been enacted, gun-free zones have been put up, or what have you typically you almost always see a corresponding increase in violent crime and murder despite the fact that politicians like to say these measures decrease crime. So the fact of the matter is the truth is on our side. Unfortunately too many people in this country, and in the rest of the civilized world for that matter seem to be so opposed to guns and gun ownership purely out of an irrational emotional fear of inanimate objects and far too many people seem to take advantage of this. I mean I completely understand and respect someone's rights to not like or dislike guns, as after all it is a free country. Though when someone dislikes something so much that they try to legislate me out of my constitutional rights to it, let alone something that could actually save my life or a family members should a terrible situation arise.....that is just plain unacceptable. It is just tough, in fact one of the toughest things I've ever had to do in my life to attempt to reason with someone who's beliefs are so governed by emotion rather than common sense that they basically throw logic out the window and ignore the actual facts.

I am very aware of the UN and it's policies regarding civilian ownership of firearms, and there are even video clips on youtube of UN spokespersons clearly stating that their ultimate goal is to ban all civilian ownership of guns in every country. Needless to say, we have quite a large opposition to our rights from some pretty large organizations, groups, etc. While I feel glad in knowing that we have the truth on our side, it simply will not be enough to protect our rights considering all of those we have fighting against us.

As far as what we can do to help keep our RKBA? Personally I say join as many pro gun organizations, help participate in assisting pro-gun politicians stay in office and take part in our local communities as much as possible. Myself, I'm an NRA and TSRA member, and to anyone else here in Texas I would recommend joining both or if you live elsewhere at least join the NRA. The TSRA has proved to be incredibly effective in assisting Texas politicians to pass many pro gun laws, especially in '07 with the enactment of the Castle Doctrine. The NRA has also had some great success around the country over the past year with such things as getting the San Francisco handgun ban thrown out of court. Some simple grass roots things we could do would be to ensure that we ourselves are as educated as possible on many of the facts concerning firearms in this country, legal issues, many popular lies and misconceptions out there regarding firearms and to try and educate as many people as we can on the subject. There are some really good resources out there on the net to educate ourselves. One I've found is from none other than the FBI: http://www.fbi.gov/research.htm

It's pretty ironic that even a reputable federal agency has facts to help substantiate gun owners claims that more guns do not proportionally equal more crime. Heck one of the most convincing things I've found is to compare Austin's crime rate to the District of Columbia's. It's pretty eye-opening to see that a smaller city and the CAPITAL of our country (which by all logic should be the SAFEST place in the country) that has had a handgun ban for the last ~31years still has a significantly higher violent crime and murder rate than a city like Austin with a much larger percentage of gun ownership and larger population. It's just absolutely preposterous that people completely ignore these facts and jump on the gun ban wagon. Here's an overview on these FBI statistics for those interested ('05 and '06 crime rate):

While their crime categories are rather vague, and due to various different law enforcement programs in different cities designed to combat crime it is tough to determine all of the exact factors determining these rates and how they are affected. One thing is for sure though, here in Austin we have a significantly higher population and a larger percentage gun ownership as well as legal ownership of handguns, concealed carry permits, etc yet on average we have had over a 50% lower violent crime rate, roughly 1/7th or 1/8th as many murders or manslaughter, over 50% less robberies and aggravated assaults, over 50% less vehicle thefts. Surprisingly the number of rapes, arsons, as well as burglaries and other non-violent property thefts seems to be quite high in Austin for some reason however the violent crime rate in my opinion is the main issue. I'm surprised down here that we are able to control all these "evil" handguns, because from what I hear they just randomly go off whenever they feel like it and kill people.
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The one thing that has become plainly obvious to me is the fact that many politicians and anti-gun groups are having a bit too much success attempting to effectively legislate us out of our rights to own firearms rather than attempting a much more controversial outright ban. One of these methods that seems to be the popular new thing is bullet serialization and/or microstamping. So far, from what I understand there does NOT currently exist a realistic technology for implementing some sort of microstamping process in firearms, let alone handguns. In California, Governor Schwarzenneger actually signed this bill in, and it is supposed to go into effect in 2010. Unless someone comes up with a realistic technology by 2010 or gets the bill thrown out, basically all new handguns will be illegal in CA as far as I understand. As of late there have been a shocking number of these bills being introduced in states around the US. The whole concept is ridiculous as anyone could find some of your spent shells at a range or wherever, reload them, and then when a crime is committed it means the BATF or whoever blowing your door in at 3am, and then a lengthy legal process trying to prove it wasn't you. Criminals could also simply find spent shells and leave them at a scene to confuse cops. It's just absolutely ridiculous to think this would ever have any effect on crime. CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY THE LAW. Just more laws to hurt the law-abiding, and yet another way to legislate us out of our rights and/or make it that much more of a pain to own firearms. This is what I see as being one of our biggest current threats as well as legislation, taxation, or heavy regulation on ammunition. In the meantime, I'm going to stockpile as many weapons and as much ammunition as I can afford, especially if a Democrat gets elected this time around.

Oh, one last thing. I honestly think we need to add an amendment to The Constitution specifically concerning an individual's right to defend oneself, their property, and family. As far as I'm concerned, self defense and defense against a tyrannical government were the 2 original purposes behind the 2nd amendment, however I think it should be clearly stated that WE have a right to self defense so that we may have a reasonable assumption of safety. As far as I'm concerned, if we can't even enjoy a reasonable assumption of safety knowing we have the ability to defend ourselves or our family, this is not the country our forefathers envisioned and certainly not the America I want to be part of. While there are plenty of places in the country with laws regarding self defense, concealed carry, etc, I personally think something considerably more substantial like an additional amendment supporting this would really help to weed out some of the BS legislation out there that really serves to do nothing except get people killed or locked up simply for defending themselves.

 

[zembonez]

WELL!

I'm glad I didn't step on a nerve there T. I agree 100% with the vast majority of what you are saying (and I don't disagree 100% with any of it).

One thing we must keep in mind is that ANYBODY that gets overly emotional on either side of the subject will be labeled a "nut". In order to maintain our rights, We must take the high road. Any attempt to go in "guns blazing" will simply alienate our cause in the eyes of the general population. We have to maintain a steady, cool and collected attitude and continue to use the real facts to our benefit. The splinter groups that refuse to see the facts are not the big issue so long as we steer a steady course in keeping the average guy from falling for their dribble. Like many other things political in this country, they are over-represented by the media. As our population moves to the left, this becomes an ever increasing problem.

Stockpiling is not an altogether bad Idea in my opinion.

 

[Hobie Dog]

Kennedy

Wow, this is amazing. I specifically logged on to post the latest news on the left and you had already begun the rant. OK, zembonez, I understand that we don't want to look like radical "Nut" cases so I will simply let the article speak for itself from a total Nut on the other side. Fair?
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Kennedy Introduces A Handgun Ban In Congress…Again

Friday, February 22, 2008

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3561
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The anti-gun nuts are relentless. They will not give up. Unfortunately, there is a very effective concept that has been used for generations by groups like NEA. Instead of attacking the issue head on they merely chip away a little at a time. The radical Kennedy shoots with outrages controls, which won't pass but in the process pro-gun people will negotiate a deal and only give a little (at a time). The NEA has rewritten the history text books over 50 years by simply omitting one word at a time, each year.

We need to be as determined to keep our rights as the other side is to destroy them.

No nerves hit here....

 

[zembonez]

We is nuts?

For the record:

I didn't say I didn't WANT to look like a nut... just that it would do large harm to our cause. Hell, I'd like nothing better than a full on butt kicking "guns blazing" war with these nutcases. We'd kick some serious booty, but it would make us look like the bad guys to Mr and Mrs. middle America once our wonderful media outlets got through "reporting" it.



Kennedy is the poster child for political misdirection. Luckily, he is dismissed by the majority of Americans for being so far out there. Only the far left gives him any real credit for doing much more than creating a dis-proportionally large amount of greenhouse gas.

I do agree that the left is quite good at seeking compromises that slowly take away our freedoms a tiny bit at a time. Unfortunately, 85% of the population is (or chooses to be) so uninformed that they fall for anything that the politicos tell them is gonna be "FREE".

There...there... That wasn't too political was it? I think we can use political facts handed to us by the left as material without turning this into an all out political fight. Besides, most everybody in this group isn't ging to disagree....

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Honestly, I really think a law needs to be passed to make it illegal to even attempt to ban guns or unreasonably regulate them. Right now politicians do it, the Supreme Court finds their laws unconstitutional and infringing on rights, and they don't even get a slap on the wrist. I think jail time would be a nice incentive to make them think twice. After all, what we are talking about here is our rights slowly being eroded and taken away. Replace the word "arms" with any of our other constitutional rights such as free speech and you would have the majority of the country screaming at Washington to stop it. Remember it's [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"....right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", yet for the past 70 some odd years they have slowly been infringed. That is one thing it seems anti-gun people just do not understand. If politicians start infringing with one constitutional right, it's not a far leap for them to start infringing on all of them. Already these days with the level of censorship we see (no doubt due to many idiots with a lack of common sense and no forethought before speaking), city ordinances against protests, etc etc we have lost some of our rights to free speech.

I too am in agreement that a large part of this fight is in educating our future generations. Heck, I'm only 24 (25 in May) and have a lot to learn, but I look at younger kids today and I'm amazed at how clueless some of them are about a great many things, especially to do with politics. Even worse is many of them seem to not even know enough to remotely be curious and want to learn about history, politics, world history, firearms, or what have you. It is almost as if a larger percentage of them are becoming complacent lemmings at the result of everyone trying so hard to be politically correct these days. This was supposed to be a nation of revolutionaries and free thinkers, though now we are slowly becoming a nation of weak a$$ fools. Sorry for the language but, that's the way I feel on the matter.

I agree Zembonez, probably the best thing we can do to help our cause is to try to inform the uninformed but, in a calm and reserved manner. I've argued with a few anti-gun and clueless people, and while some of them have been so emotionally blind to the truth that they were beyond reasoning, some people have actually been surprised once they hear all the facts and realize things aren't quite as they are made out by the left or media or elsewhere.
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[plinker]

Something to Consider

As many of you on this forum are likely very conservative, this may have no impact. However, I was reading in the Washington Post to try and find some difference between the voting record of Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton, both unabashed liberals... The only thing that I could find of some significance was a piece of federal legislation that Hillary Clinton sponsored after the Katrina Tragedy, which was in favor of giving federal authorities the right to confiscate privately owned hand guns in the event of catastrophic natural disasters or acts of terrorism... Sen. Obama voted against it...

Now Sen. McCain's stance on gun control remains unchanged and in our favor, having never voted for any federal gun control legislation. The shooting sports and ideas of gun ownership for self and family protection remain strong in Arizona.

As the Texas primaries are March 4th, I find myself in a kinundrum as to whether I'll vote for Hillary in the democratic primary, just because I think McCain has a better chance of beating her in the general election. I also like the idea of letting the democrats bash it out and exhaust all their resources prior to their convention, taking the chance that the Obama supporters may feel disenchanted should the Clinton Machine take control of the DNC...

What say you my learned blood brothers?

 

[zembonez]

McCain - Obama - Hillary

OK... so this is getting political. I knew going in it was impossible to separate. Who was I trying to fool?

Although I find it increasingly difficult to find any real differences between the political parties, I must concur with the assumption that McCain has a much better chance against Hillary (and is the obvious choice when it comes to gun issues). That said, the Clinton campaign may well be beyond the point of repair.... It isn't looking good. Unless there is a huge swing in the vote on March 4th, I think she will pull out of the race.

Where does that place us? An Obama / McCain contest might get tricky.

I have a theory. I believe the Republican old guard is giving McCain his "shot" at a time when they are actually willing to throw the election and let the Dems win. The result of this likely being a swing back to a Republican majority in the 2010 house and senate elections. Traditionally, there is a swing somewhat in the other party's direction after the election of a President. Remember when Bill got in? The next elections netted the republicans majority status not seen in decades prior. When Papa Bush was "running" for a second term, Republican campaign offices in many states closed up shop weeks prior to their primary dates... Can somebody explain that? The Dems certainly kept theirs up and roaring through election day.

I know this reeks of "conspiracy theory" but that isn't where I am going with this. It may well just be political positioning at its finest.

I encourage each of you to go read this website from cover to cover. You will see what supreme wacko nutjobs we are up against... VPC

 

[plinker]

A gun in the hand...

Well, perhaps this is a bit political and may indeed reek of conspiracy... However, I'm not willing to hand over my second amendment rights to the liberals with nothing but a whimper.

With Teddy Kennedy proposing new legislation, Hillary already on board with the gun control lobby and Obama in the whitehouse, I can't see where people of sound minds can prevail. The gradual erosion may well become a tsunome.

The traditional swing of periodic party control may well favor the liberal democrat now, but only if traditional conservatives, libertarians and republicans sit on their hands and do nothing...

Even the U.S. Economy favors a balance of power. I'll take my chances with a McCain v. Clinton battle. Seven of the eight major polling agencies show McCain as the clear winner if Clinton manages to steal the primary.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

Take a deep breath, drink a bottle of Malox, and vote Hillary in the March 4th primary...

 

[ReVrEnD_0341]

What we have here is a failure for the quiet masses to unass themselves from the couch, stop complaining, and getting out to voice the opinion of the nation. It is not that our country is left leaning, and left wingers are the majority. It is, in fact the opposite. The ONLY reason we are in the predicament we are in today is because we have failed ourselves and let the vocal minority walk all over us. However, there is light at the end of the tunnel folks. Let me explain...

Though the legislative branch of our nation is loosely held by the democratic party, and left is their way, pro gun/guns rights is the rule. 55 Senators, and 250 represenatives both Dem and GOP alike have pettitioned the SCOTUS to uphold the lower courts decision and kill the Washington DC firearms ban.

Do some research, and look back on as many Rasmusen, and like polls done. The vast majority of people in our Union are in fact pro gun, and are in fact tired of what has been going on in the legislative wing of our government. Osama Obama is correct. It's time for change, and the beast is coming alive.

We know how to defeat the enemy, but the only way we can do that is to get loud. Get very loud. Remember, the federal government does not rule the people here. The people rule the government.

Lt. Col. David Grossman made some fine observations in his book "On Killing" (ironic, I know) We mistakenly are told that in dangerous situations, we have the "fight or flight" response. How ever in combat, its not nessesarily fight or flight. There is fight posture sumbit or flee. One of the most useful tools to those in combat is posturing. In WWII and Korea, many battles were won by simple posturing of the Allied soldiers. In many cases there were vastly outnumbered, however they made lots of noise. Yelling, blowing up hand grenades, and completely drowning out the battle cry of the enemy. And the enemy would flee with little to no actual hostile action being made.

Our adversary in this fight is weak. The weakest people the earth has ever known. They would rather die than protect themselves, or their family. They would rather submit to, and negotiate with terrorists instead of shooting them in their ****ing faces. They are outnumbered, undergunned, and on the wrong side of the facts. We are skilled, strong, level headed people that would rather die free, and die in defense of our families then to submit to the criminals and imbecills that wish to destroy the United States as it is meant to be.

In order to make a difference, and be able to live a free, secure life, we MUST stand up and make the noise. Sound the battle cry, and not give up until the war for our rights as human beings is won. This is EXACTLY how the civil rights movement made the victory, with the help of the GOP.

Remember, its "WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", and its damn time we start acting like it.

p.s. Yes I am a bit abrasive at times, and have a foul mouth. Trust me, I am holding back. And no, I will not appologise if I have ruffled feathers. Not my style.

 

[zembonez]

What we have here is a failure for the quiet masses to unass themselves from the couch

There is ton of truth here. You are quite correct. We are not, as a majority, a nation of left leaners. The left simply has more than their share of very vocal groups. The couch potato crowd would rather give them their way than have to get up and deal with them. I don't think that applies to the people joining up here... but it does apply to a large portion of the general population.

Abrasive I can take... as long as we aren't fighting and name calling amongst ourselves, let's have at it but at least keep it civil.

Simply "getting it off of your chest" won't rile me but I won't stand for unnecessary abuse of other members. Hell, we is all on the same side in here.

Glad to have you on board Peacekeeper!

 

[plinker]

What we have here is a failure for the quiet masses to unass themselves from the couch, stop complaining, and getting out to voice the opinion of the nation. It is not that our country is left leaning, and left wingers are the majority. It is, in fact the opposite. The ONLY reason we are in the predicament we are in today is because we have failed ourselves and let the vocal minority walk all over us. However, there is light at the end of the tunnel folks. Let me explain...

Though the legislative branch of our nation is loosely held by the democratic party, and left is their way, pro gun/guns rights is the rule. 55 Senators, and 250 represenatives both Dem and GOP alike have pettitioned the SCOTUS to uphold the lower courts decision and kill the Washington DC firearms ban.

Do some research, and look back on as many Rasmusen, and like polls done. The vast majority of people in our Union are in fact pro gun, and are in fact tired of what has been going on in the legislative wing of our government. Osama Obama is correct. It's time for change, and the beast is coming alive.

We know how to defeat the enemy, but the only way we can do that is to get loud. Get very loud. Remember, the federal government does not rule the people here. The people rule the government.

Lt. Col. David Grossman made some fine observations in his book "On Killing" (ironic, I know) We mistakenly are told that in dangerous situations, we have the "fight or flight" response. How ever in combat, its not nessesarily fight or flight. There is fight posture sumbit or flee. One of the most useful tools to those in combat is posturing. In WWII and Korea, many battles were won by simple posturing of the Allied soldiers. In many cases there were vastly outnumbered, however they made lots of noise. Yelling, blowing up hand grenades, and completely drowning out the battle cry of the enemy. And the enemy would flee with little to no actual hostile action being made.

Our adversary in this fight is weak. The weakest people the earth has ever known. They would rather die than protect themselves, or their family. They would rather submit to, and negotiate with terrorists instead of shooting them in their ****ing faces. They are outnumbered, undergunned, and on the wrong side of the facts. We are skilled, strong, level headed people that would rather die free, and die in defense of our families then to submit to the criminals and imbecills that wish to destroy the United States as it is meant to be.

In order to make a difference, and be able to live a free, secure life, we MUST stand up and make the noise. Sound the battle cry, and not give up until the war for our rights as human beings is won. This is EXACTLY how the civil rights movement made the victory, with the help of the GOP.

Remember, its "WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", and its damn time we start acting like it.

p.s. Yes I am a bit abrasive at times, and have a foul mouth. Trust me, I am holding back. And no, I will not appologise if I have ruffled feathers. Not my style.

so it looks like we agree...

 

[chevydeerhunter]

There's been a demonization of guns for a long time and the media is largely to blame as well. Even though we have statistical proof on our side, they like to twist the facts. They really like using the "children killed by guns" argument. What they don't mention is that 17 year old "kids" are counted as children. The sad thing about the press is that they know they can mislead their consumers because most of them are idiots devoid of common sense. They don't know which end of a gun the round comes out, so when the press says "assault rifle", the masses cringe and join the battle cry against the evil gun.

I also think it's sad that there was a suggestion to make it illegal to try to ban guns. Not sniping anybody, but why not introduce a bill to make it illegal to try to shut down a newspaper? Because to those who oppose the private ownership of guns, freedom of the press is much more important than the right to keep and bear arms. They don't understand that our forefathers thought enough about our basic human rights that they introduced the Bill of Rights as all equally important. When push comes to shove, the only people who will defend our country will be the military and armed law-abiding citizens, not policy makers.

 

[zembonez]

Americans in the military.

When push comes to shove, the only people who will defend our country will be the military and armed law-abiding citizens, not policy makers.

I'll be proud to stand next to the men in uniform... guns blazing.

I have a "son-in-law" that just got back from Iraq, and many friends and neighbors that have been or are going soon. I live 3 miles from the main gate at Randolph AFB and my neighborhood is a mix of Army, Air Force, and Marines (retired and active duty). Damn good group.

They have my ultimate respect as Americans.

I'll be back... I need to go shoot something.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

There is one thing I have to confess. Somehow some of this anti-gun sentiment managed to weasel it's way into my mind awhile back. Don't take that the wrong way, I've always liked firearms and have NEVER been against civilians owning them. What I am talking about is in some manner due to the direction of the media, the whole push for political correctness, etc etc I somehow became of the mindset that I was actually a bit afraid to even discuss guns with people in public settings for fear of being labeled a lunatic. This is completely the opposite of my basic rebellious nature. I realized it one evening when at a restaurant with some friends (they don't own guns but have shot guns before and are not anti-gun) and they jokingly brought up my Ak47. I instantly grew a bit embarrassed and noticed myself looking around to see if anyone was staring. It was precisely at that moment I realized I was being a complete pansy and that this was NOT the type of America our forefathers envisioned. Now, I'll discuss firearms all I want in public, and I'll feel d@mn proud doing so without blushing. I have my cojones back now. What strikes me as a bit shocking about this situation is somehow I managed to actually start thinking/feeling in this manner as if even talking about guns was bad in public. Whatever made me end up acting that way, whether it be the actions of the media, wave of PC sentiment across the country, or other such sociological phenomena, subtly it still somehow negatively affected myself, a very pro-gun individual. I shudder to even think how negatively these phenomena have affected those less gun friendly or less knowledgeable on the whole situation.

 

[chevydeerhunter]

I live 3 miles from the main gate at Randolph AFB ...

You in Universal City or Judson?

 

[Hobie Dog]

This reminds me of when my father-in-law was still living. Being a farmer, he went to bed very early. Just before bed time I would bring up politics (Reagan era). He would get so upset he couldn't sleep. No arguments. We agreed on everything. I just found it entertaining. I guess I'm just a mean spirited Republican.

My latest reading, that my daughter just sent me: (where does she learn to do this?)
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Top Psychiatrist Concludes Liberals are Clinically Nuts
Eminent psychiatrist makes case ideology is mental disorder
Posted: February 15, 2008
WorldNetDaily


WASHINGTON: Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder. "Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded," says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness." "Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave." While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to "the vast right-wing conspiracy."
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago. Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by the two major candidates for the Democratic Party presidential nomination can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
"A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity as liberals do," he says. "A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state“ as liberals do." Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

• creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
• satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
• augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
• rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

"The roots of liberalism and its associated madness can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind," he says. "When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious."

 

[ReVrEnD_0341]

There is ton of truth here. You are quite correct. We are not, as a majority, a nation of left leaners. The left simply has more than their share of very vocal groups. The couch potato crowd would rather give them their way than have to get up and deal with them. I don't think that applies to the people joining up here... but it does apply to a large portion of the general population.

Abrasive I can take... as long as we aren't fighting and name calling amongst ourselves, let's have at it but at least keep it civil.

Simply "getting it off of your chest" won't rile me but I won't stand for unnecessary abuse of other members. Hell, we is all on the same side in here.

Glad to have you on board Peacekeeper!

Oh no, I wasn't try to abuse other members or resort to any name calling. Think of me jumping around on a stage, and yelling like Barak Obama while saying all that. I assure you it would be very motivational, and probably quite amusing.

HK. That is called conditioning. Think Pavlov's dog, and B.F. Skinner's rats. Its basic. You see it, hear it, experience it enough, you get conditioned. Operant conditioning to be exact I believe. You are given a stimulous enough, and your reaction to that stimulous eventually becomes what the conditioner wants. Parallels can also be drawn to that of the way the military conditions it members to kill and move on without hesitation.

 

[zembonez]

You in Universal City or Judson?

Actually I'm in Cibolo. (Up HWY 78 North of the gate instead of South)

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There ya go Bump... stirring up trouble!

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Hobie Dog, thank you very much for the link to that book! I'm ordering a copy. I have long thought of writing a book on the same subject and am very pleased someone with credentials has already done so. Liberalism seems to be the one big single "problem" affecting nearly every facet of our society negatively. Doctor Rossiter's diagnosis of liberals as mentally defect individuals made a light bulb turn on in my mind, and now it makes complete sense (just from reading the description and excerpts from that book) why liberals sometimes appear so nonsensical, without logic, oblivious to the truth right in front of their eyes, etc etc. Geez, these guys are just as bad as Scientologists if not worse!