I conceal and open carry at work every day lol.
Its not your store. Crack heads want to rob you give them what they want. Or you can take TI's advice and go find employment elsewhere. Outside of law enforcement there isn't too many companies that allow workers to carry on the job. Oh and you can blame employers all day long but its their insurance companies and lawyers who make these rules not your employer.
Hello all, been lurking on the site a while and decided to post up as I would like to get some opinions on a CHL issue that I have debated with a few people.
I am a current CHL holder. I am an overnight employee for a large retail drugstore. My question is this: It is AGAINST company policy to carry a firearm at work. It is not legally prohibited for a non-working member (ie no statute posted), but I feel like it creates a tough situation. The overall likelihood of a situation to arise where it would be necessary to have a firearm is, I feel, very plausible (people hopped up on drugs wanting narcotics, 24hr accessiblity, limited employees etc). My argument is always "if it comes down to my life or my job, the decision is easy" and the argument always comes back, yes but if you're ever in that situation where you needed your firearm, it would end in lawsuits galore and you still have the very real possibility of going to jail even if you were in the right for the duration of the situation at hand.
A similar situation occured here: Michigan Walgreens Pharmacist Jeremy Hoven Fired After Shooting at Robbers - ABC News - (not saying this is my specific company), but I feel like this man is possibly alive because he was carrying.
So in a similar situation, would you carry? Thanks for any and all opinions. (before anyone starts in with the "you should go back to CHL class", I will say I do know that when it is against company policy, you are not to carry- as instructed in the CHL courses. But when the company fails to provide adequate measures of security and its just you and a perpetrator it seems difficult to just allow a situation like that to develop without any defense)
First off - welcome!
Would I carry? In a word, yes. I'll find another job - be difficult to get another life. Having said that, I'd draw ONLY if MY life were on the line, or that of a bystander. They can have all the money, drugs, etc.
Common misconception, but completely untrue. Yeah, not true either. The law prohibits most employers from having such a policy, but there is no penalty for employers having the policy, nor is there a remedy for employees terminated under such a policy.
Well looking at these documents it looks clear that an employer can not prohibit a CHL holder from storing a concealed weapon in their vehicle even if the vehicle is on company premisis.
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82R/billtext/pdf/SB00321F.pdf#navpanes=0
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/documents/SB321.pdf
The only time it appears that an employer can prohibit you from storing a firearm concealed in your vehicle is if the vehicle is used for company purposes or if federal law states otherwise.
I am not exactly sure of this but there may even be a chance that you can be charged with criminal trespassing by a CHL holder (§30.06) because by being given the company guideline that firearms are not allowed, you have essentially "received notice" that "entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden" (§30.06(2)(A)) as long as the written communication was identical to that in that statute ("“Pursuant to Section 30.06...").
Well looking at these documents it looks clear that an employer can not prohibit a CHL holder from storing a concealed weapon in their vehicle even if the vehicle is on company premisis.
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82R/billtext/pdf/SB00321F.pdf#navpanes=0
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/documents/SB321.pdf
The only time it appears that an employer can prohibit you from storing a firearm concealed in your vehicle is if the vehicle is used for company purposes or if federal law states otherwise.
Hello all, been lurking on the site a while and decided to post up as I would like to get some opinions on a CHL issue that I have debated with a few people.
I am a current CHL holder. I am an overnight employee for a large retail drugstore. My question is this: It is AGAINST company policy to carry a firearm at work. It is not legally prohibited for a non-working member (ie no statute posted), but I feel like it creates a tough situation. The overall likelihood of a situation to arise where it would be necessary to have a firearm is, I feel, very plausible (people hopped up on drugs wanting narcotics, 24hr accessiblity, limited employees etc). My argument is always "if it comes down to my life or my job, the decision is easy" and the argument always comes back, yes but if you're ever in that situation where you needed your firearm, it would end in lawsuits galore and you still have the very real possibility of going to jail even if you were in the right for the duration of the situation at hand.
A similar situation occured here: Michigan Walgreens Pharmacist Jeremy Hoven Fired After Shooting at Robbers - ABC News - (not saying this is my specific company), but I feel like this man is possibly alive because he was carrying.
So in a similar situation, would you carry? Thanks for any and all opinions. (before anyone starts in with the "you should go back to CHL class", I will say I do know that when it is against company policy, you are not to carry- as instructed in the CHL courses. But when the company fails to provide adequate measures of security and its just you and a perpetrator it seems difficult to just allow a situation like that to develop without any defense)
We were taught (and given a handbook stating so) in my CHL class that you can carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle any time and any place no matter where it is and there is no policy or law that can dictate otherwise.
While an employer is free to terminate an employee if they find out you have a weapon in your vehicle on their property I dont think there is any legal repercussions they can pursue against you.
If they fire you, you can sue and maybe you'll win some money in a few years.