Your solution to “mass shootings?”

[Sam7sf]

If we were a nation with limited resources and manpower, that would be the last option. However we are not.

What?

Teachers teach.

I hope so.

The way our society degenerated, it is past talking time and discussions.

A reason why teachers should be encouraged to be armed.

Schools need to be secured as heavily as airports.

Cool. We will let the same tsa retards that helped 9-11 happen be in charge of school security.

 

[Sasquatch]

I'm sure that isn't colleges he's talking about, so that probably excludes me anyway. I'm more of making it legal for all legal to carry, like college campuses, but that probably won't happen. I don't know how many students carry at my college, but if they are of age, they are allowed. Certainly I'm not opposed to free training, but is training required for all that carry now, or just teachers?

Still don't think we're quite on the same wave length.

ME - myself, and Irene - I'm 100% for removing all restrictions on carrying on school campuses for those who may legally possess a firearm. Teachers, staff, cops, janitors, parents, guests, even students if they're old enough. Kindegarten or PHD level college, whatever. I think its bullshit that any public accomodation be restricted - including private entities open to the public (like hospitals) and schools.

As for if Mr. Bondy's training offer applies to colleges - I'm not sure. If you have Facebook, there's a facebook group he runs for his training school, the answer is probably on there, or you can shoot him a message. Worst he says is "nope" - right? Best answer is "yes" - in which you'd get free training classes, which makes the cost of training a lot cheaper (since you'd only be paying travel related expenses and ammo at that point)

I don't think there should be any requirements in the law as to specific training for anyone to carry. Its your God given right - the state just needs to either stay silent on the entire issue, or acknowledge it and be as unobtrusive as possible in said recognition.

Under the current rule set though - if your employer says "Mr. Teacher, you can carry on campus provided you get some training" - then ok. Carry whatever stupid card they want to see - a security guard license, an LTC, your certificate from Whiz Bang Wonder Academy of Gun-Fu - because if that lets you carry that makes you safer, and your students safer should some nutter walk in guns blazing. At least you get a fighting chance then.

I don't like bringing it up because of the whole "furiner tellin us how XYZ was better than Texas" - but prior to the last elections when stupidity's roots grew deeper - in Oregon I could carry damn near anywhere with a CHL. The only places you were hard & fast excluded from were spelled out in the law.

"No Guns" signs didn't mean shit - unlike the 30.05/06/07 signs here. Schools were not a prohibited place, nor were bars, churches, hospitals, nursing homes, sports arenas etc. Texas is far more restrictive in where the general plebs are allowed to carry than a lot of other states. I carried at concerts, baseball games, I even once found myself on the psych floor of a hospital (visiting a patient, she didn't tell us she was on the nutter floor, we found that out when we got off the elevator) while carrying. It was all 100% legal.

Thats one of the few things I think Texas needs to change - because more freedom is better.

 

[Axxe55]

My simple belief is, the more law abiding citizens that carry, whether open or concealed, the less these nut cases would attempt to pull their evil games.

 

[Sam7sf]

in Oregon

Careful....lol I’ll buy time while you get out of here jk

 

[Sasquatch]

Careful....lol I’ll buy time while you get out of here jk

Yeah, I know. Gonna make some "natives" get all hurt in the feels but whatever. Hurt feels are better than another 19 dead children.

 

[easy rider]

Still don't think we're quite on the same wave length.

ME - myself, and Irene - I'm 100% for removing all restrictions on carrying on school campuses for those who may legally possess a firearm. Teachers, staff, cops, janitors, parents, guests, even students if they're old enough. Kindegarten or PHD level college, whatever. I think its bullshit that any public accomodation be restricted - including private entities open to the public (like hospitals) and schools.

As for if Mr. Bondy's training offer applies to colleges - I'm not sure. If you have Facebook, there's a facebook group he runs for his training school, the answer is probably on there, or you can shoot him a message. Worst he says is "nope" - right? Best answer is "yes" - in which you'd get free training classes, which makes the cost of training a lot cheaper (since you'd only be paying travel related expenses and ammo at that point)

I don't think there should be any requirements in the law as to specific training for anyone to carry. Its your God given right - the state just needs to either stay silent on the entire issue, or acknowledge it and be as unobtrusive as possible in said recognition.

Under the current rule set though - if your employer says "Mr. Teacher, you can carry on campus provided you get some training" - then ok. Carry whatever stupid card they want to see - a security guard license, an LTC, your certificate from Whiz Bang Wonder Academy of Gun-Fu - because if that lets you carry that makes you safer, and your students safer should some nutter walk in guns blazing. At least you get a fighting chance then.

I don't like bringing it up because of the whole "furiner tellin us how XYZ was better than Texas" - but prior to the last elections when stupidity's roots grew deeper - in Oregon I could carry damn near anywhere with a CHL. The only places you were hard & fast excluded from were spelled out in the law.

"No Guns" signs didn't mean shit - unlike the 30.05/06/07 signs here. Schools were not a prohibited place, nor were bars, churches, hospitals, nursing homes, sports arenas etc. Texas is far more restrictive in where the general plebs are allowed to carry than a lot of other states. I carried at concerts, baseball games, I even once found myself on the psych floor of a hospital (visiting a patient, she didn't tell us she was on the nutter floor, we found that out when we got off the elevator) while carrying. It was all 100% legal.

Thats one of the few things I think Texas needs to change - because more freedom is better.

It was the "authorization to carry at school for free" along with "credentials" that makes me think of another I.D. I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at any free training. I do my own training, reading and videos, but someone else may see something I don't.

 

[ArmyDub]

Cool. We will let the same tsa retards that helped 9-11 happen be in charge of school security.

I’m pretty sure TSA / doesn’t predate 9-11

 

[Texas42]

I agree with the sentiment, because many of these killers are looking for their 15 minutes of fame, or infamy.

But #1 and #2 are problematic, because of the 1st Amendment and freedom of the press, so those would never happen in a free society.

#3, most assuredly.

I agree with you that it would be constitutionally problematic. I just really think this is one of the few ways to Keep these things from happening.

Not going to happen.

 

[Sam7sf]

I’m pretty sure TSA / doesn’t predate 9-11

That’s right. Same low wage workers that was previous security.

 

[easy rider]

That’s right. Same low wage workers that was previous security.

I still remember in January 2001 the airport security using my cigarette pack to measure the blade of my Buck knife I carried on the flight to Guam.

 

[toddnjoyce]

We couldn’t stop people from killing US, NATO, and allied forces in green on blue attacks in Afghanistan and that was with dedicated counter shooters inside the room and knowledge we could expect these things.

 

[Darkpriest667]

We couldn’t stop people from killing US, NATO, and allied forces in green on blue attacks in Afghanistan and that was with dedicated counter shooters inside the room and knowledge we could expect these things.

Hey, I don't disagree you can never stop it but you can make it much much harder.

 

[majormadmax]

Not going back to read 26+ pages.

The answer is simple, get rid of "gun free" zones!

Per FBI statistics, 94% of the time active shooters pick a "gun free" zone.

"Because the sad reality is evil and deranged people will continue to attempt to take the lives of innocents regardless of what laws are on the books. And when they do, responding swiftly with force, including deadly force, is the optimal way — really the only way — to ensure they stop."

New FBI Report: Armed Citizens Stopped Active Shooters in 2021

The FBI’s 2021 report on “active shooter incidents” indicated that four perpetrators of such attacks were slain by armed private citizens.

www.gunsamerica.com

 

[easy rider]

To what end do we harden target areas? I'm angry as F**K that young children were murdered, but what are the psychological effects on children and society when you turn areas into essentially prisonlike? Wouldn't it then be the possibility that we end up creating more monsters? I'm not against more cameras and better monitoring, especially on the outside entry ways, and even letting those who choose to arm themselves, but I believe more thought needs to be given to the kids' well being. We don't wrap our kids in bubble wrap when they stub their toe or fall down.

 

[Axxe55]

To what end do we harden target areas? I'm angry as F**K that young children were murdered, but what are the psychological effects on children and society when you turn areas into essentially prisonlike? Wouldn't it then be the possibility that we end up creating more monsters? I'm not against more cameras and better monitoring, especially on the outside entry ways, and even letting those who choose to arm themselves, but I believe more thought needs to be given to the kids' well being. We don't wrap our kids in bubble wrap when they stub their toe or fall down.

Totally agree. There does need to be a balance in being able to provide a secure environment, without making schools into a prison like setting.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Hey, I don't disagree you can never stop it but you can make it much much harder.

In a static situation, there’s not many options to harden between locked doors and putting a good guy with a gun everywhere.

Defense in depth also depends on people following procedure. If a door is supposed to he shut and locked and it’s not, the reactionary defensive shooter in the other side of that door is already behind the power curve.

 

[majormadmax]

To what end do we harden target areas? I'm angry as F**K that young children were murdered, but what are the psychological effects on children and society when you turn areas into essentially prisonlike? Wouldn't it then be the possibility that we end up creating more monsters? I'm not against more cameras and better monitoring, especially on the outside entry ways, and even letting those who choose to arm themselves, but I believe more thought needs to be given to the kids' well being. We don't wrap our kids in bubble wrap when they stub their toe or fall down.

Nope. Kids knowing they are safe from such animals has more of a positive psychological effect than cameras (which don't deter anyone) and "better monitoring."

Look at Israeli schools with their obvious display of armed force to protect against such attacks. How many school shootings have they had? Six in almost 50 years.

Learn from what works, don't try to reinvent the wheel!

Texas school shooting: Could Israeli school security methods serve as model for US schools?

Following the Texas school shooting in Uvalde, observers say Israel's security approach could be useful to schools in the U.S.

www.foxnews.com

 

[easy rider]

Nope. Kids knowing they are safe from such animals has more of a positive psychological effect than cameras (which don't deter anyone) and "better monitoring."

Look at Israeli schools with their obvious display of armed force to protect against such attacks. How many school shootings have they had? Six in almost 50 years.

Learn from what works, don't try to reinvent the wheel!

Texas school shooting: Could Israeli school security methods serve as model for US schools?

Following the Texas school shooting in Uvalde, observers say Israel's security approach could be useful to schools in the U.S.

www.foxnews.com

Israel? A country that sees hostility from almost every country around them? Is that how you envision America, land of the free? I can only look back to when I was 10. The extra security I was in depressed me, it didn't make me feel safe. It was only a few months, but I never forgot that experience.

 

[andre3k]

Nope. Kids knowing they are safe from such animals has more of a positive psychological effect than cameras (which don't deter anyone) and "better monitoring."

Look at Israeli schools with their obvious display of armed force to protect against such attacks. How many school shootings have they had? Six in almost 50 years.

Learn from what works, don't try to reinvent the wheel!

Texas school shooting: Could Israeli school security methods serve as model for US schools?

Following the Texas school shooting in Uvalde, observers say Israel's security approach could be useful to schools in the U.S.

www.foxnews.com

It has a "complex, multi-layered approach" to security that uses intelligence networks to examine the acquisition of weapons and social media activity, he said.

Yeah...let's trust the government to monitor your weapons acquisitions and your social media to build a profile of your likelihood to be a threat.

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[alwho421]

To what end do we harden target areas? I'm angry as F**K that young children were murdered, but what are the psychological effects on children and society when you turn areas into essentially prisonlike? Wouldn't it then be the possibility that we end up creating more monsters? I'm not against more cameras and better monitoring, especially on the outside entry ways, and even letting those who choose to arm themselves, but I believe more thought needs to be given to the kids' well being. We don't wrap our kids in bubble wrap when they stub their toe or fall down.

We traumatized them for two years with masks for nothing. Training and proper organization is the way to go. Having people around that have a set would be nice too.