Utah CFP and Texas LTC Reciprocity and FFL Transfers

[General Zod]

Under Permit less carry, LTC forgets his license, he still is legal in said movie theater.

OK...this statement directly contradicts what you said when you posted this:

Foillowing is Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY. Note if you are not carrying your license, you do NOT get Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY. You are subject to arrest and conviction, even though you may be licensed.


(b) Sections 46.02, 46.03(a)(14), and 46.04(a-1) do not apply to a person who:

(6) is carrying:
(A) a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a handgun; and
(B) a handgun:



The law I posted above which actually states you must be in possession of your license.

You must be in possession of your license...but somehow if you don't have it in your possession when you go into a movie theater you're still covered?

 

[Renegade]

So getting back to this (Only because in 2 weeks, 20 of us will be at Florida's and this is what they have posted also, albeit an invalid one)


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To walk through the door 'legally' - If we're LTC, then we can either
1. Conceal carry, or,
2. Leave our LTC card in the truck and open carry.

Yes? No?

Yes, that will get you through the door legally

I imagine as soon as you are observed, you will get verbal notice and perhaps even be asked to leave.

 

[General Zod]

So getting back to this (Only because in 2 weeks, 20 of us will be at Florida's and this is what they have posted also, albeit an invalid one)


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To walk through the door 'legally' - If we're LTC, then we can either
1. Conceal carry, or,
2. Leave our LTC card in the truck and open carry.

Yes? No?

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@oldwisemonk : now you see why I just do what I do and not worry one way or the other.

I'd just conceal.

No matter what the actual situation is with unlicensed carry, license not in your possession, etc...the restaurant owner is NOT going to be versed on the law, and most likely believes that sign prohibits all open carry. And an unlicensed carrier open carrying past that sign will still probably be asked to leave by the management...or have the police called on them to be asked to leave.

 

[Renegade]

OK...this statement directly contradicts what you said when you posted this:



You must be in possession of your license...but somehow if you don't have it in your possession when you go into a movie theater you're still covered?

Not a contradiction.

No license means you are not carrying under LTC. So you are carrying as a regular person under permitless carry.

 

[toddnjoyce]

So getting back to this (Only because in 2 weeks, 20 of us will be at Florida's and this is what they have posted also, albeit an invalid one)


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To walk through the door 'legally' - If we're LTC, then we can either
1. Conceal carry, or,
2. Leave our LTC card in the truck and open carry.

Yes? No?

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@oldwisemonk : now you see why I just do what I do and not worry one way or the other.

The sign only prohibits open carry by an LTC holder. Management sees open carry and they can ask you to leave for any reason at all and you have to leave or be trespassed; if you’re an LTC holder then you could be hit with the 30.07 violation or just the general trespass violation.

Then you get to have your day in court and introduce defenses to prosecution.

Or just say fûck it and just conceal carry right past it regardless if one has an LTC or not.

 

[General Zod]

Not a contradiction.

No license means you are not carrying under LTC. So you are carrying as a regular person under permitless carry.

Which was what I asserted when you started posting the statute and saying it said otherwise...

So, yes or no. IF you're carrying and forget your LTC card, are you carrying legally under 30.05 or not?

And if you are carrying legally under 30.05, would you therefore only be legally obligated to obey 30.05 signage?

 

[Renegade]

Or just say fûck it and just conceal carry right past it regardless if one has an LTC or not.

This.

Generally if there is any anti-gun sign at all, you should conceal. Cause if they see it and you get verbal notice you are SOL.

 

[BuzzinSATX]

Maybe I'm terrible at google and forum search, but it wasn't easy for me to find this information, so I figured I'd post here for anyone that might be clueless like me.

While it seems like it might be common sense, I honestly wasn't positive, so I checked a few places to be sure.

Context: I moved here from Utah and have a Utah CFP. I am now a resident of Texas and have Texas ID.

I was told FFL transfers, transfer fees, and background checks are completely separate things from carry reciprocity laws/regulation. I'll still have to pay for background checks and won't likely get the discounted FFL transfer fees when applicable.

Conclusion: Gonna sign up to get a Texas LTC.

Best place for a TX CHL class in San Antonio by far is Lone Star Handgun range. One stop deal. Good bunch of folks.

HOME

www.lonestarhandgun.com

 

[MountainGirl]

Thanks guys, for all your replies.

I can see a lot of baggy shirts in my future.

Or just say fûck it and just conceal carry right past it regardless if one has an LTC or not.

Ding Ding Ding!! We have a winner!!
Winner winner chicken dinner
(Wish you were able to join us at Florida's but it'd be a really long drive for you)

 

[oldwisemonk]

I think some conflate the background check with the transfer fee.

As an LTC holder, I’ve always paid one fee…transfer fee, whether the FFL honored the LTC fast lane option or not for the 4473.

This is what I'm thinking, too. Thanks.

 

[MountainGirl]

Not a contradiction.

No license means you are not carrying under LTC. So you are carrying as a regular person under permitless carry.

I'm fine-tuning my understanding.
Under permitless carry, can I carry concealed.
(Appreciate your help very much, btw)

 

[Renegade]

Which was what I asserted when you started posting the statute and saying it said otherwise...

So, yes or no. IF you're carrying and forget your LTC card, are you carrying legally under 30.05 or not?

And if you are carrying legally under 30.05, would you therefore only be legally obligated to obey 30.05 signage?

If you do not have your license, you are then a permitless carrier and are carrying legally assuming no signage or prohibited place, etc.

06/07 signs only apply to those carrying under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code

 

[General Zod]

If you do not have your license, you are then a permitless carrier and are carrying legally assuming no signage or prohibited place, etc.

06/07 signs only apply to those carrying under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code

So, if my license is not in my possession but I am carrying, then I am not subject to 06/07 signage but need to be mindful of 05, correct?

 

[Renegade]

So, if my license is not in my possession but I am carrying, then I am not subject to 06/07 signage but need to be mindful of 05, correct?

that is how the law is written.

They took something so simple and made it very complicated.

 

[General Zod]

that is how the law is written.

They took something so simple and made it very complicated.

They do that. The law is written in a way to be hard for the layman to understand. And apparently to discuss, because this was the assertion I originally made that you quoted the statute to disagree with.

 

[oldwisemonk]

So getting back to this (Only because in 2 weeks, 20 of us will be at Florida's and this is what they have posted also, albeit an invalid one)


View attachment 413445

To walk through the door 'legally' - If we're LTC, then we can either
1. Conceal carry, or,
2. Leave our LTC card in the truck and open carry.

Yes? No?

Did we determine the text was also too small here, thus making it not legally binding? Hah. But really.

 

[Renegade]

I'm fine-tuning my understanding.
Under permitless carry, can I carry concealed.
(Appreciate your help very much, btw)

I am pretty sure as a general rule, you can carry open or concealed under permitless. But permitless has more locations that are prohibited, and also has scenarios that define when you must conceal etc.

Permitless law is a mess, I would recommend LTC as it is more definitive.

 

[MountainGirl]

It is permit-less carry, which means a whole lot more restrictions than Constitutional Carry. We actually lost ground on some carry when it was passed.

What ground was lost?
Ah - you answered above.
Can you point to where I can read further on it? I'm guessing it would take you a long time to describe the mess -

 

[Renegade]

They do that. The law is written in a way to be hard for the layman to understand. And apparently to discuss, because this was the assertion I originally made that you quoted the statute to disagree with.

It was easy to read a decade ago. Now they have added so many paragraphs, a-1, a-2, etc, with so many exceptions it is impossible.

 

[oldwisemonk]

BTW, I just want to thank y'all for the discussion in this thread. It makes me feel like my confusion, in general, wasn't completely unwarranted. I've learned a ton today.