Atf rule banning private sales requires FFL rumored for fall.
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thescoutranch
TN Transplant - We love living in TX
ATF field agents voluntarily work there.
Not at all similar to the Vietnam vets that were drafted and had no choice, other than to break the law by not serving.
New ATF Rule Could Land You in Jail for Selling ONE Gun
The Biden administration has recently implemented a new rule that has gun owners up in arms. According to Gun Owners of America, even selling a single firearm without a license could land you in jail. This controversial rule, issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF),
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This isn't about a stopping truly private sales, say neighbor to neighbor, brother to sister. This is about going after print/online classifieds/ marketplaces and sales in public e.g gun shows.
The comment period has opened. For the next 90 days (until 7 Dec) you can submit comments on your opinion of the proposed rule. Yes, you comments do make a difference and you can bet Moms Want Action, Everytown, and other anti gun groups will be commenting in favor. You are not restricted to just one comment either. Send as many as you can stand. Just don't get nasty with them or it will be shit canned.
For starters, I intend to mention the ambiguity of the definitions of an FFL. It is very loosely worded and allows for subjective enforcement. Collectors and hobbyists...no problem, but if your firearms are mainly for defensive purposes, you need an FFL. WTF is that?
For starters, I intend to mention the ambiguity of the definitions of an FFL. It is very loosely worded and allows for subjective enforcement. Collectors and hobbyists...no problem, but if your firearms are mainly for defensive purposes, you need an FFL. WTF is that?
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That may seem like what it is intended for on the surface. But it is so ambiguously worded that they can twist it around and use it any way they want depending on what mood they are in that day.. Yes, there may be exceptions for family members, but not necessarily for neighbor to neighbor. You can sell from your personal collection, but not if the item was originally purchased for self defense. If you sell one firearm with the intent to make a profit, whether you made a profit or lost money, you could be considered a dealer.
The whole rule is full of ambiguous statements and definitions like that.
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That's not what I meant, I'm well aware of the proposed rule.
My response to pops was that they know they aren't going to be able to stop truly private transactions if the parties are committed to keeping it truly private, but most private sales these days are done by unfamiliar parties through a publicly viewable medium. That is by and large their target. If they can get Uncle Bob to slip up and admit to buying a gun from you after the proposed rule is in effect, then that's just a bonus.
cycleguy2300
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The 'ol "I'm just following orders"
For something in a grey area, OK. But for something as CLEAR as the right to keep and bear arms: **** every agent and employee that takes on ANY role in enforcement of these rules
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seeker_two
My posts don't count....
....and they should be dealt with same as the Hessians that tried it before.
Just so you know, this is what the bored housewives brigade is sending out...
Mike, we have some urgent and exciting news: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is following through on President Biden's commitment to move us closer to background checks on all gun sales.
In a newly proposed regulation, ATF is setting a clear and common-sense standard for when gun sellers must become licensed dealers and run background checks. It's the next step in building on the life-saving Bipartisan Safer Communities Act we passed last summer.
For decades, gun sellers have exploited loopholes in federal law that let them sell guns online and at gun shows without conducting background checks. It's a recipe for disaster that worsens our country's gun violence crisis.
This proposed regulation goes directly to these loopholes we have been trying to close for years. It expands background checks to guns offered for sale online or at gun shows, keeps weapons out of the hands of dangerous people, and ultimately saves lives.
But for ATF to finish the job on this life-saving action, it needs to know the public supports closing these dangerous loopholes. We need to make our voices heard—and make sure the gun industry doesn't drown us out.
Submit your comment today in just two clicks: Tell ATF to close these dangerous loopholes. Gun sales online and at gun shows must have background checks!
ATF's proposed regulation makes it clear: If you're offering guns for sale online or at a gun show, then you're presumed to be trying to make a profit. You need to get a license to do business and run background checks on your customers.
We need this kind of life-saving action to stop firearms from ending up in the hands of people who can't pass a background check.
And once again, we're seeing how the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act is having a lasting impact. Because we got Congress to pass that historic gun safety law last year, the Biden-Harris Administration and ATF now have the tools to help close these deadly loopholes. Thanks to supporters like you, our movement has helped make this regulation a possibility.
We fought hard to set the stage for this kind of action—now, let's make sure it happens. Submit your comment today telling ATF that you support closing these online and gun show loopholes.
Thank you for being a part of this movement.
Everytown for Gun Safety
Mike, we have some urgent and exciting news: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is following through on President Biden's commitment to move us closer to background checks on all gun sales.
In a newly proposed regulation, ATF is setting a clear and common-sense standard for when gun sellers must become licensed dealers and run background checks. It's the next step in building on the life-saving Bipartisan Safer Communities Act we passed last summer.
For decades, gun sellers have exploited loopholes in federal law that let them sell guns online and at gun shows without conducting background checks. It's a recipe for disaster that worsens our country's gun violence crisis.
This proposed regulation goes directly to these loopholes we have been trying to close for years. It expands background checks to guns offered for sale online or at gun shows, keeps weapons out of the hands of dangerous people, and ultimately saves lives.
But for ATF to finish the job on this life-saving action, it needs to know the public supports closing these dangerous loopholes. We need to make our voices heard—and make sure the gun industry doesn't drown us out.
Submit your comment today in just two clicks: Tell ATF to close these dangerous loopholes. Gun sales online and at gun shows must have background checks!
ATF's proposed regulation makes it clear: If you're offering guns for sale online or at a gun show, then you're presumed to be trying to make a profit. You need to get a license to do business and run background checks on your customers.
We need this kind of life-saving action to stop firearms from ending up in the hands of people who can't pass a background check.
And once again, we're seeing how the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act is having a lasting impact. Because we got Congress to pass that historic gun safety law last year, the Biden-Harris Administration and ATF now have the tools to help close these deadly loopholes. Thanks to supporters like you, our movement has helped make this regulation a possibility.
We fought hard to set the stage for this kind of action—now, let's make sure it happens. Submit your comment today telling ATF that you support closing these online and gun show loopholes.
Thank you for being a part of this movement.
Everytown for Gun Safety
They are conducting a concerted campaign among all their members and will bombard the ATF with their comments. I have no doubt that they have members who will devote several hours every day commenting in favor of the rule.
At this point there are only 643 comments, but they are not available for viewing yet. It takes a few days for the comments to publish. .
At this point there are only 643 comments, but they are not available for viewing yet. It takes a few days for the comments to publish. .
I wonder how many will transition to the "Bill of Transfer" that some folks espouse.
The BOStards get very confused when I explain that keeping records of your sales implies you're dealing in firearms - a dealer keeps records, a hobbyist does not - and missing a transaction record when you usually require a BOS can imply criminal liability.
Eli
Ridiculous. I commented.
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It was passed into law by our legislators in the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act passed by congress last year. The problem is, the ATF is once again taking liberties by making up and twisting definitions. Right now our best chance of mitigating the rule is to use the 90 day period to voice out opposition.
