Better off to carry with none in the chamber than not at all?

[satx78247]

London; All,

That's ONE reason that my "daily carry weapon" is a 6-shot S&W Model 12 "snubbie". = SIMPLE, smooth trigger-pull, QUICK to get into action, sufficiently powerful to STOP a determined aggressor, has 6 rounds of JHP "Critical defense" NON-Plus P loads & it shoots EVERY time. - I TRUST IT.
(Btw, a Model 12 "snubbie" was my first duty revolver, when I was sworn in as a CID Special Agent.)

just my OPINION, satx

 

[Huntindoc]

If someone is determined to not carry a round in the chamber they should carry a revolver or not at all. Otherwise it will simply be the new weapon of their attacker who took it off of their dead body.

 

[Charlie]

If someone is determined to not carry a round in the chamber they should carry a revolver or not at all. Otherwise it will simply be the new weapon of their attacker who took it off of their dead body.

This ^^^^^ Or just make sure one is really, really good at pistol-whippin' bad guys with a gun ('cause that's all ya' got)!

 

[HHH]

I carry a 45 acp and do not carry in the pipe , mostly for my safety, but when i'm in the woods O hell yes and I've shot 2 pigs and a doe because its fun.....

 

[Acera]

One thing that kept coming to mind reading this thread is; Does no one practice operating their gun with one hand anymore??? There are a lot of ways to rack a slide, change a magazine, etc.

Way back in time when I was shooting competitively in college, that was part of just about every match. Whether it was racking with only 1 hand or reloading with 1 hand down (either strong or weak hand/arm out of action).

Have safety concerns gotten in the way of this type of training now days??

I still practice those drills with snap caps at home (I occasionally practice with the rifle that way also), but would not have an personal issue going through them on a range with live ammo.

Not all attacks are quick and violent like the 21 foot video. Some are slower developing and may require a careful measured response. I agree with a lot of you that you should be prepared for the worst case instance, however not all situations are the same and preparing for say 75% is better than not being prepared at all.

I carry a 45 acp and do not carry in the pipe , mostly for my safety, but when i'm in the woods O hell yes and I've shot 2 pigs and a doe because its fun.....

I fully support your choice. If it feels good and comfortable for you to do that, go for it. May not be good for others, but don't allow them to get on your case for it and make you go to a less desirable for you method.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

One thing that kept coming to mind reading this thread is; Does no one practice operating their gun with one hand anymore??? There are a lot of ways to rack a slide, change a magazine, etc.

Way back in time when I was shooting competitively in college, that was part of just about every match. Whether it was racking with only 1 hand or reloading with 1 hand down (either strong or weak hand/arm out of action).

Have safety concerns gotten in the way of this type of training now days??

I practice strong hand only and support hand only almost every range trip. I'd say now, versus in the past, that people are actually more frequently practicing one-handed manipulations and shooting as opposed to what percentage of shooters practiced it a number of years ago. There are completely safe ways to do so, both strong or support hand only. Though, there are definitely some safety concerns people really need to take into account, and I definitely think it's wise for someone that's never done it before to be instructed by a competent instructor in doing so to start off with. Practicing one-handed manipulations, there are quite a few techniques that, if done incorrectly, could be very dangerous. That doesn't mean we shouldn't necessarily do them at all, just that extra care should be taken. When people start getting into this stuff, if they're truly honest with themselves, they'll start finding out pretty quickly whether their carry/range gear is up to par in terms of quality and durability.

 

[breakingcontact]

Last IDPA match I shot...one stage had us stick our support side arm into a PVC pipe to isolate it. We then had to shoot from that position one handed and perform a reload one handed. It definitely got me thinking.

 

[txinvestigator]

I carry a 45 acp and do not carry in the pipe , mostly for my safety,.

I figured the carrying of the gun was for your safety? How is an unloaded one safe for you?

 

[txinvestigator]

One thing that kept coming to mind reading this thread is; Does no one practice operating their gun with one hand anymore??? There are a lot of ways to rack a slide, change a magazine, etc.

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Been doing that since I started shooting semi-autos. That's why I know how cumbersome and slow it is.

 

[DogPatron]

One in the chamber.

 

[Acera]

Been doing that since I started shooting semi-autos. That's why I know how $#@!bersome and slow it is.

Then you doing it the wrong way

 

[DougC]

Left-Over Foolishness! (From the AmmoLand blog and how Israel got to their method)

Israeli ambulance drivers, courageously doing their best to save the injured on 7 Oct 23, are shown in a recently-released video deploying in an active combat zone and retrieving the wounded.

What follows is not intended to diminish their personal bravery.


We see one deployed driver maneuvering a gurney while simultaneously carrying a rifle.

His partner is nearby, providing security via a pistol (brand unknown). He is holding the pistol at eye level in his strong hand while pinching the rear of the slide with his left.

He obviously doesn’t already have a round chamber because he is accustomed to carrying the pistol with the chamber empty.

Yet, even now, he still has not chambered a round!

Video in blog has a number of scenes of ambulance drivers trying to save wounded.

 

[leVieux]

I understand the vast benefits of carrying with one in the chamber and drawbacks to carrying with an empty chamber.

I understand the internal safeties that guns have and what a proper holster looks like.

Say you have a friend/family member though, that just will not carry with one in the chamber, overall, generally speaking, all things being equal, are they better off not carrying at all or carrying with no round in the chamber and training to chamber a round as needed?

* This isn't about what method is better, I acknowledged which is better. This is about carrying with no round chambered vs not carrying at all.

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[Tnhawk]

If I need to carry, I carry Condition 1.

 

[TXAZ]

If I need to carry, I carry Condition 1.

I carry in Condition X.
(aka FAFO)

 

[ZX9RCAM]

9 year old thread....

 

[TxStetson]

9 year old thread....

Senility.

 

[skfullgun]

Blast from the past…

 

[kbaxter60]

Is it better to not carry because you can't have the gun in hand at all times?

You can rack a slide faster than you can run home and grab the gun.

Yeah, I think this is it. Depends on your proficiency.
Also true for one in the chamber.

 

[toddnjoyce]

What in fresh hell does this have to do with the original topic at hand?