Clinton Airport Director shot in head by ATF

[popper]

Main reason I refuse to watch the new 'real FBI' show, just ex's trying to justify their responses on the job. ATF not the only ones. We had a drug bust in the neighborhood few yrs back, flash bangs and everything early in morning when kids were waiting on school bus. Could have just waited till the people went out of the house.

 

[toddnjoyce]

He's dead, now.

Clinton National Airport executive dies, redacted warrant affidavit reveals new details

The Executive Director of Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport has died after being shot by agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explos

katv.com

Article also has court document to read...

Thanks be to Cornyn and all his glory for the BPSC Act.

 

[red442joe]

Can you give me the author's name?

John Ross

Joe

 

[red442joe]

"Undercover agents bought firearms from Malinowski who was acting as an unlicensed vendor at a gun show. He did not ask the agents for ID or paperwork,"

If he was selling as an individual, there was not need for ID or paperwork.

This is why the ATF wants to rewrite the regs so that everyone who sells a single gun can be classified as a dealer.

Still no word as to how the shooting began. The brother's statement indicates it was a no-knock. ATF going cowboy again.

Perhaps he was a dealer, still no excuse for how this went down.

This^^^

Joe

 

[Younggun]

The difference between selling as an individual or unlicensed dealer is dependent on if the ATF wants a reason to kick in your door.

 

[Sasquatch]

"Undercover agents bought firearms from Malinowski who was acting as an unlicensed vendor at a gun show. He did not ask the agents for ID or paperwork,"

If he was selling as an individual, there was not need for ID or paperwork.

This is why the ATF wants to rewrite the regs so that everyone who sells a single gun can be classified as a dealer.

Still no word as to how the shooting began. The brother's statement indicates it was a no-knock. ATF going cowboy again.

Perhaps he was a dealer, still no excuse for how this went down.

Yeah, my interaction with the ATF recently left me less than thrilled with them. The guy was personable enough - but he's brainwashed into the "Make sure you get a picture of the person's ID" nonsense - like sorry, not sorry dude - neither Federal law or State law require that from a private seller / buyer - I'm not a dealer, I don't make money by selling guns like that, and I'm not going to make your job easier IF a gun I sell winds up in the wrong hands down the road (which, I guess it did, along with other guns from other people)

They want to change the laws to eliminate private sales all together - meanwhile the a federal court just ruled that illegal aliens are A-OK to have guns. Illegal aliens cannot legally buy a gun through an FFL, so that must mean that private sales are A-OK. All gun laws are infringements, and ATF has no constitutional basis to even exist. Every ATF agent should be fired. But I'm the *extemist* that also thinks that 99% of federal cops should be fired, their agencies dissolved, and anything except for the US Marshals should be gone. USMS can handle prisoner transportation, executive protection, fugitive apprehension across state lines, coordinate with local and state LE agencies for multi-jurisdictional investigations and apprehensions, and be mostly hands-off and let local cops run investigations and do police work.

The number of Federal LE agencies is stupid, and the number of Federal LE agents is doubly stupid. Seems like every Fed fifedom has LE powers and agents. Pointless government bloat and waste. They can have non-sworn, non-arresting investigators that can coordinate with other agencies IF there are issues that need addressed like wire fraud, mail fraud, etc.

Wipe 99% of *federal* laws off the books, restrict states to only enacting and enforcing laws that jive with Constitutional protections, and hack the FedGov to a sliver of what it is today.

I'm honestly less concerned about illegal aliens invading my home and my land than I am about some jack booted Federal goon no-knocking my place at 3AM because I'm a middle aged white conservative male gun owner, especially with the current administation.

 

[deemus]

The difference in this case seems to be most of us sell 0-4 or 5 per year. Most at a loss or a few bucks profit. While this guy seems to have sold a bunch of new guns.

I stand by my comment that he still didn’t deserve to die for that. Well known guy they could have taken anywhere.

Only thing you can take from that is if they show up, they are there to kill you. Saves a ton of budget money to not have a trial.

 

[kbaxter60]

can coordinate with other agencies

Yeah, we don't do that.
I am thinking that your file must have the red AGAAVE stamp on the jacket...

ETA - and that's okay; mine probably does, as well.

 

[Sasquatch]

The difference in this case seems to be most of us sell 0-4 or 5 per year. Most at a loss or a few bucks profit. While this guy seems to have sold a bunch of new guns.

Eh, I've sold new guns before. A gun that feels great, seems to have a great trigger, great ergonomics can turn out to be a turd at the range. Surprisngly or not - I've had that happen with a few Sig pistols over the years.

Sig Pro 2340 and 2022 (I gave the SigPro a chance again after 10 years because they felt so damn good in hand...) - neither shot for shit for me. Conversely, the 220, 225, and 226 are all great shooters. The Sig X-Macro I bought shortly after they were released. Loved how it felt, loved the ergos - didn't shoot nearly as well as it should've for me and it was snappier than I cared for.

Selling new guns by itself doesn't warrant an investigation, let alone a no-knock where you wind up dead. But then again, I think that a guy should be able to sell brand new machine guns out of the back of his van in Time Square without being hassled, require a license, or otherwise getting permission from the King, er, government. That statement probably got me on *another* list. I'm sure their lists have to be organized by other lists at this point.

 

[deemus]

If you shot it, it ain’t new anymore.

And that 2022 was the only Sig-fail until the 320. That was an awful pistol. I tried to like it. Put 3 mags through it. Then traded it even up for a 10-22.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Anybody selling 150 "new" guns in a couple years meets the dealer definition, no?

 

[red442joe]

With AFT zero tolerance for clerical errors, it won't be long before they are doing raids on FFL's for punctuation errors.
They will prolly bring dogs to shoot...

Joe

 

[Moonpie]

The difference between selling as an individual or unlicensed dealer is dependent on if the ATF wants a reason to kick in your door.

Bingo! There is another reason they went after this guy.
That sold to the wrong person noise is just them pulling something out of their ass.

 

[surevaliance]

Bingo! There is another reason they went after this guy.
That sold to the wrong person noise is just them pulling something out of their ass.

This! But I believe we will never know the real reason.

 

[kbaxter60]

Anybody selling 150 "new" guns in a couple years meets the dealer definition, no?

And therein lies the problem. It's some arbitrary number that few even know (even in the three-alphabet agencies I suspect), subject to change with little/no notice.
How about 15 guns? Am I a dealer still?
How about five? One?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

And therein lies the problem. It's some arbitrary number that few even know (even in the three-alphabet agencies I suspect), subject to change with little/no notice.
How about 15 guns? Am I a dealer still?
How about five? One?

Are you saying that you don't know if 150 would be a high enough number?

 

[Younggun]

Are you saying that you don't know if 150 would be a high enough number?

He’s saying there is no number. The number is whatever they want it to be when they need a reason.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Main reason I refuse to watch the new 'real FBI' show, just ex's trying to justify their responses on the job. ATF not the only ones. We had a drug bust in the neighborhood few yrs back, flash bangs and everything early in morning when kids were waiting on school bus. Could have just waited till the people went out of the house.

Sometimes that is the best option.

They watch the kids leave, they know only adults are in the house and that everyone they want is still in the house.

There is a time and place for no-knock raids, but it doesn't sound like the ATF needed to do one. Worst case the ATF would end up with a barricaded subj, but with a drug dealer they can destroy evidence in a few seconds. You cant really flush ammo or a gun down the toilet... (but remind me why either are illegal?)

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[kbaxter60]

He’s saying there is no number. The number is whatever they want it to be when they need a reason.

Exactly.
And, yes, 150 sounds like a lot. It's what....3 or 4 a week? You know "dealers" who could make it selling 4 guns a week?

 

[Younggun]

Exactly.
And, yes, 150 sounds like a lot. It's what....3 or 4 a week? You know "dealers" who could make it selling 4 guns a week?

There’s also the issue of time.

Good guy gun owner keeps a BoS for everything he’s ever sold. Friendly ATF agent comes by just to talk. Friendly gun owner has nothing to hid. Brings out his 25 years worth of BoSs. Friendly ATF thanks him for his cooperation and leaves. Next day his door gets kicked in and he’s charged for dealing firearms without a license. They have proof he’s sold over 150 firearms. But they’ve take. This criminal off the streets.

Not saying that applies directly to this case. But this is why there’s a problem with the “dealing without a license” charge in general. There is no standard. 5 in a year? 10 in 5 years? Maybe you cleaned out the safe and sold off 10 on one year to fund something else? Who decides when you become a felon?