South Carolina to secede over gun confiscation.

[Vaquero]

South Carolina--or any other state--isn't going to succeed. That's happened once in our history, and it's not going to happen again. Even Texas, which has the greatest chance of surviving on its own, will never leave the Union. It can't afford to, nor can any other state.

Such titles are misleading and only add to the hysteria. Three lawmakers introducing a bill that only states the state can consider leaving (which it already can) doesn't mean it will do so. There is dubious legality towards unilateral secession. In Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional. In most cases, it's pure hyperbole...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...u-s-a-four-step-guide/?utm_term=.e20e35b6e08d

If a state were to secede to avoid a federal law, then all federal laws become irrelevant in that state. Along with any opinion from the Supremes.
State law would then be the law of the land, within the state's borders .

Of course there are laws to prevent secession, but once a state secedes , they aren't bound by those laws.
I mean, that's the point of secession .

 

[oldag]

If a state were to secede to avoid a federal law, then all federal laws become irrelevant in that state. Along with any opinion from the Supremes.
State law would then be the law of the land, within the state's borders .

Of course there are laws to prevent secession, but once a state secedes , they aren't bound by those laws.
I mean, that's the point of secession .

Once again, V accurately cuts right to the heart of the issue.

 

[Younggun]

"Vote for Anarchy!"

 

[C_Hallbert]

If a state were to secede to avoid a federal law, then all federal laws become irrelevant in that state. Along with any opinion from the Supremes.
State law would then be the law of the land, within the state's borders .

Of course there are laws to prevent secession, but once a state secedes , they aren't bound by those laws.
I mean, that's the point of secession .

States like California and New York already disregard Federal Law when it suits their political agenda. This is a kind of facultative de facto secession without actually coming out and stating it, and so they are choosing to comply only with those laws and regulations that advantage them without the conflict, penalties and consequences of an outright rebellion.

 

[billyb4u64]

States like California and New York already disregard Federal Law when it suits their political agenda. This is a kind of facultative de facto secession without actually coming out and stating it, and so they are choosing to comply only with those laws and regulations that advantage them without the conflict, penalties and consequences of an outright rebellion.

Just think next flood , forest fire or earth quake & California will come beggin for help or cash !!

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[majormadmax]

"The American people are not ready for secession. The states, the economy, and the people are too dependent on the central authority. If nothing else, Hamiltonianism has accomplished slavish loyalty to the system. Yet, perhaps following the lead of John Dickinson of Delaware would be appropriate at this critical juncture in American history. Americans as a whole recognize that the debt is excessive, America is virtually bankrupt, and the central authority is out of control. Secession is a manifestation of the fear that the situation will not improve. Perhaps that is the case, but Dickinson faced the same situation in the 1770s."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/

 

[billyb4u64]

I would state it more generally.

I think anyone who actually aspires to high political office suffers from mental problems that lead them to believe they know what's best for everybody. Right-wing, left-wing, centrist - it doesn't matter where people lean politically. If you actually want wide-ranging (i.e. national) political power, you have an unhealthy desire to mess about in the business of other folks.

Most people under 30 with a colledge degree . lean twards the Free America belief being taught at he schools of socialist learning . Free colledge , free medical insurance , free government housing or in parrents basement & welfare , have really gone a long way in the last 30 years .

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[Younggun]

Most people under 30 with a colledge degree . lean twards the Free America belief being taught at he schools of socialist learning . Free colledge , free medical insurance , free government housing or in parrents basement & welfare , have really gone a long way in the last 30 years .

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How do you know this?

Ever heard of Keks?

Wonder who's stirring up all yhe commotion to rile up the liberals?

Ever ponder on the wave of young people who are sick of being told "you can't say that!"?

It wasn't 35 year olds on the front lines of the Meme War of 2017, it was 18-25 year olds. Most of them more libertarian than conservative. Few with any interest is socialism.

 

[HKShooter65]

...anyone who actually aspires to high political office suffers from mental problems that lead them to believe they know what's best for everybody. Right-wing, left-wing, centrist - it doesn't matter where people lean politically. ...

Gonna agree with Ben.

When the Dems were in power they acted a lot like the current GOP.
It riles people up when I assert Dems and GOP'ers are more similar than what our media wants to admit.
It's all about who's in control. Both groups are conniving manipulators which is, probably, as it should be.

The succeed-threat-thingy is a great headline getter and emotion churner.
Just makes me roll my eyes, yet again.

The last time TX left the USA we were practically a separate nation with vastly fewer attachments to central control and we had some pretty motivated partner states who were more incentivized than were we to leave.
I seem to recall it did not end well.
Ain't never going to happen again.

Yup. Makes for dramatic headlines and vociferous debates and little more.

 

[RoadRunner]

Gonna agree with Ben.

When the Dems were in power they acted a lot like the current GOP.
It riles people up when I assert Dems and GOP'ers are more similar than what our media wants to admit.
It's all about who's in control. Both groups are conniving manipulators which is, probably, as it should be.

The succeed-threat-thingy is a great headline getter and emotion churner.
Just makes me roll my eyes, yet again.

The last time TX left the USA we were practically a separate nation with vastly fewer attachments to central control and we had some pretty motivated partner states who were more incentivized than were we to leave.
I seem to recall it did not end well.
Ain't never going to happen again.

Yup. Makes for dramatic headlines and vociferous debates and little more.

Yep.

.

 

[oldag]

Ain't never going to happen again.

Well, then the USA will be the first country in history to last forever...

 

[TheDan]

For the Second Amendment to be gutted by a means other than that legally specified (e.g., a subsequent Constitutional Amendment), would be an abandonment of the Constitution. And thus grounds for declaring the treaty broken.

So why didn't they in '34?

 

[TheDan]

We don't need to secede; just need to kick out NY, IL, and CA.

 

[easy rider]

I don't think South Carolina actually is planning to secede, it's more a threat to secede, saying that if the Constitution is gutted then the agreement with the United States is null and void. I believe it's intended to make those in power understand the consequences of repealing any part of the Constitution.

 

[chuckfw]

We don't need to secede; just need to kick out NY, IL, and CA.

GREAT idea!

 

[chuckfw]

If the Second Amendment is gutted de facto, I believe Texas would have grounds to leave the union. The treaty by which Texas joined the union had underlying assumptions, one of which was that the Constitution would be abided by.

For the Second Amendment to be gutted by a means other than that legally specified (e.g., a subsequent Constitutional Amendment), would be an abandonment of the Constitution. And thus grounds for declaring the treaty broken.

As a dedicated Texan, I agree!

 

[billpenn47]

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/south_carolina_lawmakers_intro.html


South Carolina lawmakers have introduced a bill that would allow them to secede from the U.S. if the federal government attempts to confiscate legally purchased firearms.

Three Republican representatives introduced the bill Thursday. It would allow the state's General Assembly to meet "to consider whether to secede from the U.S. based on the federal government's unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment..." if the "federal government confiscates legally purchased firearms in this state."

The only thing that I have heard about confiscation, from the Feds, is bump stocks. I know the libs want to ban AR's and such, but haven't heard anything about confiscating them. Is there actually a bill in the works, that I haven't heard about?

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/south_carolina_lawmakers_intro.html


South Carolina lawmakers have introduced a bill that would allow them to secede from the U.S. if the federal government attempts to confiscate legally purchased firearms.

Three Republican representatives introduced the bill Thursday. It would allow the state's General Assembly to meet "to consider whether to secede from the U.S. based on the federal government's unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment..." if the "federal government confiscates legally purchased firearms in this state."

 

[oldag]

The only thing that I have heard about confiscation, from the Feds, is bump stocks. I know the libs want to ban AR's and such, but haven't heard anything about confiscating them. Is there actually a bill in the works, that I haven't heard about?

Banning new sales is step one for the liberals. Registration of AR's may well be step 2. Outlawing all ownership will be the next step. And that is where the confiscation begins.

Believers in the 2nd will have to prevent the above from happening.

 

[FireInTheWire]

I do believe that the ungodly corrupt powers realize that America is a hornets nest. They are playing chess with the situation. They are trying every angle to disarm The People. I will not buy into the fear.
Jeremiah 7:8

 

[billpenn47]

Banning new sales is step one for the liberals. Registration of AR's may well be step 2. Outlawing all ownership will be the next step. And that is where the confiscation begins.

Believers in the 2nd will have to prevent the above from happening.

I AGREE! Hopefully the confiscation won't be in my lifetime. It bothers me that the 2nd amendment believers are getting to be less and less. The millennial's are slowly giving up their freedoms for reasons I don't understand.