Is Suicide Always the Result of Mental Illness?

[grasshopperglock]

Let's not forget the role of parents who don't want to exert the energy of parenting. So when they have a strong willed child they take them to the doc "I can't control him, do something!" And the doc goes along, labels the kid ADD or such. Next come the meds. That takes less effort on the parents' part.

I completely agree. Nowadays there's a pill for everything. I don't know what the hell restless leg syndrome is but if I ever figure I have it. A perfect life is just a pill away.

 

[sidebite252]

IMO metal illness is a real thing and unfortunately suicide is something that is associated with may forms of it. Their are other cases of suicide that really don’t have anything to do with mental illness. Shame, guilt it can be used as an out. Terminal illness or quality of life (associated with pain or inability to care for yourself) it’s a choice in which I fully understand. Many levels to this.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Let's not forget the role of parents who don't want to exert the energy of parenting. So when they have a strong willed child they take them to the doc "I can't control him, do something!" And the doc goes along, labels the kid ADD or such. Next come the meds. That takes less effort on the parents' part.

Please note, I am not talking about meds for someone who is truly bipolar, etc. Rather kids who are given meds unnecessarily as a substitute for parental effort and discipline.

Public school institution cannot handle boys being boys nowadays. That’s a big part of it. A lot of the time schools push treatment in families and suggest that the kid “can’t function” as he naturally is. Then treatment providers have to see what is the “correct” thing to do. We give schools too much power over our lives.

 

[easy rider]

The terminally ill committing suicide is not a mental issue, it's a choice of ending an enduring pain that has led to not being able to live life as they knew it.

The same can be said of those giving their life in the face of an inevitable death, especially if it could save others.

As far as depression goes, imagine losing someone or something that you had centered your life around. The dreams, the work, the planning and the time (sometimes years) you had put into it is suddenly taken away. Depression is not a choice, the choice is in how to deal with that depression.

 

[avvidclif]

I can give my thoughts. Suicide was never even in my vocabulary. I knew people who did it and could never figure it out. Never crossed my mind. I had a heart attack and the Dr put me on a specific statin drug (common practice). Within 2-3 months I was having thoughts about suicide, don't ask why they were just there in dreams and daytime thoughts both. I had a heart-heart with the Dr and he changed the medicine and all of those thoughts went away, almost overnite. Turn out it was a documented side affect that has never been acknowledged by the mfg. All I can say is my thoughts were medically induced and Thank the Lord I didn't act on them.

 

[AustinN4]

I can give my thoughts. Suicide was never even in my vocabulary. I knew people who did it and could never figure it out. Never crossed my mind. I had a heart attack and the Dr put me on a specific statin drug (common practice). Within 2-3 months I was having thoughts about suicide, don't ask why they were just there in dreams and daytime thoughts both. I had a heart-heart with the Dr and he changed the medicine and all of those thoughts went away, almost overnite. Turn out it was a documented side affect that has never been acknowledged by the mfg. All I can say is my thoughts were medically induced and Thank the Lord I didn't act on them.

Just curious, which statin?

 

[pronstar]

I don’t think an end-of-life desire to die is suicide.

If one is terminally ill, choosing a painless death is often the most human thing one can desire.

Tangent, but this country’s laws let us treat pets and animals better than humans in this regard.


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[RobertTheTexan]

Turns out it was a documented side affect that has never been acknowledged by the mfg. All I can say is my thoughts were medically induced and Thank the Lord I didn't act on them.

Amen to that. I’m also glad you didn’t act on those thoughts. What a dangerous place to be in.
Big Pharma. I wonder what their kill count looks like...



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[RobertTheTexan]

Public school institution cannot handle boys being boys nowadays. That’s a big part of it. A lot of the time schools push treatment in families and suggest that the kid “can’t function” as he naturally is. Then treatment providers have to see what is the “correct” thing to do. We give schools too much power over our lives.

I cannot tell you how many parents I know who now home school their kids - there are many reasons why, aside from values, curriculum, and teachers not able to teach, but I’ve heard numerous times how guidance counselors, teachers, school nurse etc wanted to label the kid with some acronym and dope him up to the point he’s a submissive zombie. It’s not so much the teachers fault - at least I don’t think it is, as it is the culture that’s politically driven that has permeated our public school system.


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[Charlie]

I cannot tell you how many parents I know who now home school their kids - there are many reasons why, aside from values, curriculum, and teachers not able to teach, but I’ve heard numerous times how guidance counselors, teachers, school nurse etc wanted to label the kid with some acronym and dope him up to the point he’s a submissive zombie. It’s not so much the teachers fault - at least I don’t think it is, as it is the culture that’s politically driven that has permeated our public school system.


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You speak the truth! (opinion from many years in public education).

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Suicide is the CURE for mental illness..

 

[F350-6]

In my opinion, it comes down to poor choices clouded by the small picture instead of taking a step back and looking at the big picture. That's why so many can be talked out of it if you catch them at the right time.

Of course, catching them at the right time is the key. If we really knew what made people reach that point, we'd have a cure for it.

I've known 2 people that took their own life. The first was a very close friend when we were 16. He was haunted by something that occurred before he moved into town with an old friend. I got bits and pieces of the story, but never the full thing. Even his parents or older brother couldn't fill in the missing pieces to the story, but it was a split second decision to swerve his truck into a bridge pillar at 70 mph.

The second was a guy I'd known for 20 years. After 2 heart attacks, he was diagnosed with terminal cancer and was told he'd basically be bed ridden and rot away over the next 12 - 18 months. The 2nd is easier to understand, but still was hard on his (grown) kid.

 

[jrbfishn]

The second one I can more understand.
As a father, regardless of my kids ages, it is my job to look after and protect them. Not them take care of me. I can understand people taking care of their parents. Just not something I want my kids to have to do.

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[easy rider]

Depression can be likened to self absorption and clinical depression, acute self absorption, things like "why me?", "life is so unfair" & "nobody loves me". Unless you're close to someone it's often hard to know if those are off the wall remarks or something they are deeply dwelling on.

I have often heard remarks on how couples that have been married together for most their lives, when one dies the other isn't long from dying, and I can't deny that it happens. Now I know in most cases it isn't from suicide, but in a way it's the same. Their life has changed so much that they often give up on life. I know from experience having to wake up every day after losing someone very close and having to relive the fact that the person I used to wake up to is no longer there. Now certainly not all suicides are a loss of a loved one, but it's undoubtedly a loss of something in their life.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

I see a lot of impulsive suicides triggered by anger/ arguments.

 

[easy rider]

But what is the root and result of that anger?

 

[RobertTheTexan]

I have wondered many times why my sister shot herself. I know some of gr influences. One was the death of our mom. My sister had left home and had shit my parents out. She said many many hateful and hurtful things to my mom, and then when she got pregnant with her first child, that somehow opened the bridge for them to reconnect. Unfortunately she was never able to say the things she wanted to say to momma. Her son was born on Mother’s Day and I remember wondering, is this a gift God? Or do you slapping us in the face. I know my nephew was a gift. What a precious boy. But that’s how jacked up my the. 13 yr old mind was. My sis struggled with alcohol and other things, that at that time, was too young to understand. So in the end, I just don’t know. I know she was hurting. My dad told me that. And I don’t think her regrets were only about my mom. I just don’t know. All I was able to see was the swath of destruction her choice made in the lives of her children. I love my sister. I loved her and I still love her, the memory. But I truly hate the choice she made. I guess sometimes we just don’t know why. I never understood why my mom had to die and die the way she did. I wondered for so many years why God punished me with that. I don’t struggle with those thoughts now, and I’m thankful. So very thankful. But in the end we live in a fallen world, where there is both good at work, and evil at work. Where sometimes we feel that evil is working overtime and good decided to take a few days off. Where the rock we live on is inhabited by imperfect people who don’t always make good decisions. I know it gets far more complicated than that, but sometimes, I have to break it down to that level.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

But what is the root and result of that anger?

In one instance, a teen argued with his mother over that the teen didn’t go to a job interview like she wanted him to. They had a big blowup and then he went and hung himself with an extension cord in the garage. It can happen just that fast. This wasn’t my client, so who knows what the root of the anger was.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Robert... I’m so sorry.
That is a really rough story.

“Imperfect people who don’t always make good decisions.”

I consider that for whatever reason, they couldn’t... Their “I did my best” certainly fell short. And I really can’t judge because I don’t achieve what is “good enough” in quite a few areas of my life; I’m just blessed that things have gone my way most of the time despite my shortcomings.

 

[easy rider]

In one instance, a teen argued with his mother over that the teen didn’t go to a job interview like she wanted him to. They had a big blowup and then he went and hung himself with an extension cord in the garage. It can happen just that fast. This wasn’t my client, so who knows what the root of the anger was.

Yes, but what is it that triggers anger? Rarely do people get angry when they gain something. Anger is a defense mechanism for loss. loss of dignity, loss of respect, loss of trust and so on.